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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Why Is John McCain Smiling? Reply with quote

Good question, hunh? And I have a good answer.

John McCain knows who his vice presidential nominee will be AND he knows he can reveal the name at a strategic time to nullify anyone the Democrats throw at him.

McCain has to come up with something that will let the Republicans look like a progressive party of the future with the values of the past. It can't end up looking like an old white man's club. It just can't.

To shake things up, McCain could go for the Hispanic vote, but Gonzalez's star didn't shine all that brightly as AG. Hmmm...

So, what constituency is bigger than the Hispanics? Well, the women. Who is more conservative than Phyllis Schafley? She'd shore up the women vote and the social conservatives.

If the Dems nominate Clinton, Schafley would shake things up. Her only weakness is her age. An old man and an old woman. Would not look good on the cover of Reader's Digest.

There's another consideration. What if the Dems nominate Obama? The Republicans have to come up with someone who isn't a white male. Hmmm...This is not as easy as you might think in a national party that's 150 years old. And it is the party that freed the slaves. You've only got 2. There's Clarence Thomas on the Supreme Court, but you don't want to move him and risk losing the seat. There's Colin Powell, but he doesn't help the ticket that much since he's also a military figure. Some diversity there, but just not enough.

But then, inspiration Exclamation . McCain can nominate a woman who is of high morals (at least no one knows any scandals). And she's black. Condi Rice.

Condi would nullify Clinton's gender advantage. If necessary, they could marry her off during the summer to up their ratings. Condi could out-black Obama and at least divide the black vote and win the South with the cracker vote.

I think Condi is the way to go.


Remember: You heard it here first.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and your conspiracy theories.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neither Rice nor Powell will run. Both are fully capable of running on their own with the name recognition and background. Stop trying to get people to roll over for Clinton.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy You're welcome to prove it isn't true.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prove what isn't true? Your conspiracy theory??

Like I said in the other thread, it's too premature to be talking about VP's. No one has won the nomination unless you know something I don't.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Stop trying to get people to roll over for Clinton.


I haven't chosen Clinton over Obama yet. I'm trying to stay neutral, like Dean. Like I've said several times, I'd be happy with either one.


But back on topic...McCain/Rice '08

I can see it now.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, you've advocated at least 2-3 times that Obama drop out of the race. At least be honest with yourself.

By the way, I very much doubt Dean is neutral. We all know Bubba is twisting his arm.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I remember correctly, I said an 'ideal' solution would be for him to accept the VP spot. Hardly advocating.
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Quote:
Stop trying to get people to roll over for Clinton.


I haven't chosen Clinton over Obama yet. I'm trying to stay neutral, like Dean. Like I've said several times, I'd be happy with either one.


But back on topic...McCain/Rice '08

I can see it now.


McCain doesn't want any association with Bush foreign policy team.. His pitch is: "Bush's policies were ok, but the implementation was lousy." While McCain puts most of the blame on Rumsfeld, I doubt he has a high opinion on Rice's capabilities. Regardless of his personal opinion of Rice, choosing her as a running mate would neutralize that aforementioned pitch.

Add in the fact that nominating Rice would not gain any more support for him, and there you have it: no Rice for you.

A Huckabee nomination makes more sense. While he'd run the risk of pushing independents such as myself into voting for Hillary (if she were to win the Dem nomination), huckabee's role would encourage the good ol' evangelicals to vote in November.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:05 am    Post subject: Re: Why Is John McCain Smiling? Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
The Republicans have to come up with someone who isn't a white male. Hmmm...


No, they don't. Blacks/Hispanics/women are capable of thinking beyond race and gender when they vote. Who would suggest otherwise?

Clinton and Gore won back to back elections. Their whiteness didn't hurt them any.

Anyway, when Powell resigned as SecState I had hoped it would be so that he could distance himself from Bush... in order to run later.

But, maybe you're right about Rice there, ya ta. I can see the campaign slogan now:

Obama? Yo mama! McCain is a pain, but Rice is nice. Laughing
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blaseblasphemener



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rice would be a horrible campaigner. I'm sure she's a brilliant woman, but she comes off as being an egghead with no charisma. Plus, 75% of Americans want the war ended, so how is she a popular choice. Which begs the question, how is Mccain a good choice? Oh right, he's not, but he's the best in a year where unless the republicans can jimmy the electronic voting, they haven't a hope in hell of getting someone into the white house.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A McCain nomination strongly tilts the scales in the favor of the Democrats, even Hillary. Rush Limbaugh said he'd vote Democrat over McCain. McCain has divided the Republican electorate because of his backing to legalize the 12 million illegals (he's conservative re abortion and gun control) and this division I suspect will mean a Democrat president. In other words, I wouldn't smile too much if I were him.

Ya-ta boy wrote:
There's another consideration. What if the Dems nominate Obama? The Republicans have to come up with someone who isn't a white male.


Not necessarily, surely? Jesus, the world's gone nuts, officially. Rolling Eyes
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agentX



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you're expecting too much "out-of-the-box" thinking from McCain and the Republicans.

He's gonna pick someone who will complement him, not contrast with him.
Rice=Bush foreign policy. Bad idea. Throw in the 9/11 stuff and you have the makings of a disaster.
Powell is pissed at the Neocons over Iraq. McCain may not be a Neocon, but he certainly wants their vote. Plus, if he really wanted to run, he would've done so by now. He carries the baggage of the UN speech with him and the ticket would get torn up at debates.

This is what the Wall Street Journal says about McCain's VP pick.
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Pick a conservative running mate early. Mr. McCain needs a young vice president with stellar conservative credentials so that conservatives can know that an acceptable successor is being trained and waiting in the wings. Nothing would endear conservatives more, and nothing would make it clearer that Mr. McCain is serious about reaching out to them. Rudy Giuliani, Joe Lieberman and especially his friend, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, will not do, and would send many conservatives over the edge. One option would be 47-year-old Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina.


His best bet might be Mel Martinez, a senator from Florida with Cuban descent. But he was not born in the US; he was born in Cuba, so that Constitution thing is in play.

He's gotta pick someone soon.
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jkelly80



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agentX wrote:
I think you're expecting too much "out-of-the-box" thinking from McCain and the Republicans.

He's gonna pick someone who will complement him, not contrast with him.
Rice=Bush foreign policy. Bad idea. Throw in the 9/11 stuff and you have the makings of a disaster.
Powell is pissed at the Neocons over Iraq. McCain may not be a Neocon, but he certainly wants their vote. Plus, if he really wanted to run, he would've done so by now. He carries the baggage of the UN speech with him and the ticket would get torn up at debates.

This is what the Wall Street Journal says about McCain's VP pick.
Quote:
Pick a conservative running mate early. Mr. McCain needs a young vice president with stellar conservative credentials so that conservatives can know that an acceptable successor is being trained and waiting in the wings. Nothing would endear conservatives more, and nothing would make it clearer that Mr. McCain is serious about reaching out to them. Rudy Giuliani, Joe Lieberman and especially his friend, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, will not do, and would send many conservatives over the edge. One option would be 47-year-old Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina.


His best bet might be Mel Martinez, a senator from Florida with Cuban descent. But he was not born in the US; he was born in Cuba, so that Constitution thing is in play.

He's gotta pick someone soon.


What is the neo-con vote? A voting bloc of disillusioned Jewish liberals from the sixties? I count about six or seven main guys. Not enough to carry Ohio.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see nominating Condi Rice...if McCain put a woman as VP, then it would negate the advantage that probably exists to some extent of the typical male/male ticket that many people might vote just to have a male/male.

A male/female vs a female/male would negate that.

Then there is the whole thing that I'm sure McCain would want to DISTANCE himself from Bush and his admin as much as possible.
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