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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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The guard scans the barcode of the Military ID card or the base employee ID card. KNID or ARC for guests, Military ID card (to include dependent ID cards) or base employee ID card for military, their dependents, or civilian employees of the base are what's presented. The KNID and ARC do not have barcodes and the various driver licenses that do have barcodes do not have the kind that is recognized by the military's ID card verification system.
And, yes, the guards check the expiration date on whatever documents are presented, such as a guest's driver license. They also check the DEROS (Date of Expected Rotation from Overseas) of the person sponsoring guests. If the DEROS is expired, then they can't sponsor guests onto the base. For example, my DEROS (even we retirees are assigned a DEROS for this system) is March 31, 2008. That means that I cannot sponsor anyone onto the bases until I update my data with the folks in charge of the verification system.
As I mentioned above, the OP is spinning. |
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OBXman7
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Location: on baboshirts.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
The guard scans the barcode of the Military ID card or the base employee ID card. KNID or ARC for guests, Military ID card (to include dependent ID cards) or base employee ID card for military, their dependents, or civilian employees of the base are what's presented. The KNID and ARC do not have barcodes and the various driver licenses that do have barcodes do not have the kind that is recognized by the military's ID card verification system.
And, yes, the guards check the expiration date on whatever documents are presented, such as a guest's driver license. They also check the DEROS (Date of Expected Rotation from Overseas) of the person sponsoring guests. If the DEROS is expired, then they can't sponsor guests onto the base. For example, my DEROS (even we retirees are assigned a DEROS for this system) is March 31, 2008. That means that I cannot sponsor anyone onto the bases until I update my data with the folks in charge of the verification system.
As I mentioned above, the OP is spinning. |
You want me to scan my expired license? Call to the base, they do not accept passports as ID. At one point you said you were going there to "investigate" on the same weekend that I came. I gave you my info... Not only was I there, but a witness who saw the entire event. Also, you could have met the airman who invited me on base, and who was also a bit shocked that they held my expired license at the gate. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali, speaking of spinning and lying, what do you think about this statement:
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| Nope, any soldier can sign you in. I believe each soldier can sponsor three or possibly two civilians. I went through the process before, and didn't have any valid ID on me so we had to jump through a couple hoops. |
So this guy was able to get access to the base without ANY valid ID whatsoever?! Hmmm. If that is true, then it doesn't shock me that the guard accepted an expired DL as a form of ID. Well, I wouldn't doubt it anyway.
But why is it that Korean guests can get in with only a KNID, but American guests can't use their valid passport? And why is an American's ARC card for Korea accepted over and above an American passort?
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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I didn't say I was going there the same weekend as you. I said I would check with the folks there. Here's what I said on the issue:
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| Anyway, do you really want me to call the base police and have them affirm there was no such apprehension as you described? If you want, I can call Stars & Stripes and ask one of their locally assigned reporter at the base check the base police's desk log. It is, after all, a public record. |
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| Actually, your assumption should be the other way around. His post is obviously false. As I am in Hong Kong on vacation at the moment, I must wait until I return to Korean next week to make a trip to the base in question to have a chat with the MP unit's PR folks. |
There's still time to do that, although I was unable to head to OAB last week and obviously busy this week. But keep lying. It's become quite entertaining.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| Vicissitude wrote: |
CentralCali, speaking of spinning and lying, what do you think about this statement:
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| Nope, any soldier can sign you in. I believe each soldier can sponsor three or possibly two civilians. I went through the process before, and didn't have any valid ID on me so we had to jump through a couple hoops. |
So this guy was able to get access to the base without ANY valid ID whatsoever?! Hmmm. If that is true, then it doesn't shock me that the guard accepted an expired DL as a form of ID. Well, I wouldn't doubt it anyway. |
It's yet another lie. When I registed my DEROS, I was informed that I could sponsor up to three guests at a time. For someone who has no valid connection with the military, such as a foreign English teacher in Korea, there's no way at all that he's getting escorted onto the base. Now, if he were a dependent husband and had lost his dependent ID card, then that would be a different story.
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| But why is it that Korean guests can get it with only a KNID, but American guests can't use their valid passport? |
Koreans can also show a passport; however, they will have to show another government issued picture ID, such as a driver license, to enter the base as a guest.
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| And why is an American's ARC card for Korea accepted over and above an American passort? |
It's not "over and above." It's simply a matter of convenience. It's your choice. Surrender your ARC for the duration of your visa or surrender your driver license and show your passport. I would think it'd be more convenient to just cart around the ARC. |
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bejarano-korea
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: |
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CentralCali,
What happens when you win this paticular online debate? Will you feel better about your life? Will it prove to everybody on here that every single member of the US military is made up of fine, oustanding people?
What are you getting out of it? Please tell! |
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OBXman7
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Location: on baboshirts.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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| I didn't say I was going there the same weekend as you. I said I would check with the folks there. There's still time. But keep lying. It's become quite entertaining. |
Haha. OK Maybe I'll make up something crazy like..."Oh, there was this one time I put my Land Rover in a lake" or... "It was about 4:30am and I was doing 290Kmh in a '07 carerra turbo s..." or "I was in Egypt, illegally climbing one of the pyramids at Giza when a man with a gun..."
Oh wait, those are all true too and I have pictures and video. Right... I make up stories in the little spare time that I have to post for people like you on ESL cafe...nice one CentralCali.
If you actually got away from your keyboard every now and then you would realize that stuff like this does happen. |
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OBXman7
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Location: on baboshirts.com
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:43 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
I didn't say I was going there the same weekend as you. I said I would check with the folks there. Here's what I said on the issue:
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| Anyway, do you really want me to call the base police and have them affirm there was no such apprehension as you described? If you want, I can call Stars & Stripes and ask one of their locally assigned reporter at the base check the base police's desk log. It is, after all, a public record. |
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| Actually, your assumption should be the other way around. His post is obviously false. As I am in Hong Kong on vacation at the moment, I must wait until I return to Korean next week to make a trip to the base in question to have a chat with the MP unit's PR folks. |
There's still time to do that, although I was unable to head to OAB last week and obviously busy this week. But keep lying. It's become quite entertaining. |
Obviously busy?!?!? Correcting people who aren't up to par on their military lingo and acronyms and questioning the integrity of posters on ESL Cafe. Wow. Not only are you policing the world, but your making ESL cafe a better place too! Cheers for that one. I'll just delete my account now! |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| But why is it that Korean guests can get it with only a KNID, but American guests can't use their valid passport? |
Koreans can also show a passport; however, they will have to show another government issued picture ID, such as a driver license, to enter the base as a guest.
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| And why is an American's ARC card for Korea accepted over and above an American passort? |
It's not "over and above." It's simply a matter of convenience. It's your choice. Surrender your ARC for the duration of your visa or surrender your driver license and show your passport. I would think it'd be more convenient to just cart around the ARC. |
The point I'm trying to make is that Koreans don't have to show a passport, but Americans MUST. Or don't they? And how is an ARC card for an American citizen considered a valid from of ID without showing a passport? I mean geez the pictures are really fuzzy on there. Don't you think? But above all else, I still don't understand why they would not just hold my passport and accept that as a valid from of identification. Really, I think this is absurd and the security measures are not up to par. It's fairly easy for a person to get a fake DL and even easier to make up a fake ARC. America is loaded with underage teens who have a fake DL to obtain smokes and beer. If most Americans at check out counters can't tell the difference, how is a Korean suppose to know? And the guard at the counter did not thoroughly look at those IDs from the Korean guests. He pretty much just waved them in with a tiny glance of their cards. Remember they were escorted guests just like me, but they were Korean and I was American. Yet, I was not treated the same.
Futhermore, I find it very interesting how the young Korean police who stand outside of the gates can't speak a word of English. What's up with that? |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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I hate to be the arse to bring it up but: CC as a Mormon aren't you supposed to be above petty little crap like calling out someone on an anonymous message board?
Beyond that, I fail to see how he is a lair.
I have been on quite a few bases and generally there are just about as many Koreans on a base as there are Americans.
Also, if you think every gate guard is professional, you have got to be sh!tting me. I've been signed onto base tons of times...while most are nice about it, a few are d!cks. A few times my buddy got the 3rd degree when signing me in...I'm sure if I was a Korean girl going on base with a guy, there would be no such questions.
Perhaps, you, like myself wonder why someone who was so set on getting onto the base would not demand to see the CO of the said guard, or the OIC. I would surely make sure I got to talk to someone with rank, and if still denied, I would have gotten their name, rank, company info and later contacted the appropriate people to complain.
To the OP: Taco Bell is some of the worst crap made. I wonder if the MPs had detained you and hit you a few times if you would have thought it was worth the hassle. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| The point I'm trying to make is that Koreans don't have to show a passport, but Americans MUST. Or don't they? |
Nope. For non-Korean guests, it is either show the ARC or show the passport. For Korean guests, it is either show the KNID or show the passport.
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| And how is an ARC card for an American citizen considered a valid from of ID without showing a passport? I mean geez the pictures are really fuzzy on there. Don't you think? But above all else, I still don't understand why they would not just hold my passport and accept that as a valid from of identification. |
The ARC is a valid form of identification according to the Korean government.
For those not showing an ARC, the passport is the valid form of identification. The DL is held at the gate with a note attached indicating the passport number.
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| Really, I think this is absurd and the security measures are not up to par. It's fairly easy for a person to get a fake DL and even easier to make up a fake ARC. America is loaded with underage teens who have a fake DL to obtain smokes and beer. If most Americans at check out counters can't tell the difference, how is a Korean suppose to know? And the guard at the counter did not thoroughly look at those IDs from the Korean guests. He pretty much just waved them in with a tiny glance of their cards. Remember they were escorted guests just like me, but they were Korean and I was American. Yet, I was not treated the same. |
It's also incredibly easy to get a fake passport.
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| Futhermore, I find it very interesting how the young Korean police who stand outside of the gates can't speak a word of English. What's up with that? |
Those are the riot police. They are not assigned to the base. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:27 am Post subject: |
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| The point I'm trying to make is that Koreans don't have to show a passport, but Americans MUST. Or don't they? |
Nope. For non-Korean guests, it is either show the ARC or show the passport. For Korean guests, it is either show the KNID or show the passport.
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| And how is an ARC card for an American citizen considered a valid from of ID without showing a passport? I mean geez the pictures are really fuzzy on there. Don't you think? But above all else, I still don't understand why they would not just hold my passport and accept that as a valid from of identification. |
The ARC is a valid form of identification according to the Korean government.
For those not showing an ARC, the passport is the valid form of identification. The DL is held at the gate with a note attached indicating the passport number. |
Now you've got me really confused. Did you not see the posts where I stated that I showed my passport? That was not good enough for the Korean guard. He demanded a Driver's License. I didn't have one. My friend who was escorting me on base (who's not even Korean or American) said she had never heard of this and she was shocked as her guests from various countries were able to show their passports and that was sufficient. Yet it was not sufficient for me as an American citizen. Yeah, were were in total shock. Then it was even MORE shocking to see the Koreans get in so easily with no passport. We were speechless for a few seconds. Then she offered her own valid ID card for them to hold and he reluctantly took that. There's a VERY good reason why he damn well should take that ID... she's got wasta in a serious way. Basically, her family can tell anyone on that base to clean up their act and that goes for the top ranking General for that matter. I'm sure when he saw that ID, he suddenly became aware of the fact that he was nothing but a pee on in her eyes. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| This is one of the most odd net'wars I've ever seen. Almost time to find a new hobby. |
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Mi Yum mi
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep...that gas can be a killer. |
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EricaSmile84
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Thats awesome. I just read your story-- not this whole thread.
You should send that story to Yum! Food Brand (owns Taco Bell). I bet you they will give you some free Taco Bell when you get back to the States.
And I'm still in the States-- moving in a couple weeks and Taco Bell has PLATTERS NOW!
It's pretty sweet-- like a little compartmented tray with beans, rice, salsa, chips and a couple of tacos! Yummy I haven't tried it yet, but I know I will miss Taco Bell when I am in Korea just like you do.
I still say they do Fish Tacos.... like at Del Taco but not disgusting.
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