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chronicpride

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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I had mentioned this in another thread, but didn't post the story. $10 million isn't that much and I'm sure they will pick up fundraising wise.
I gave again to Obama's campaign just after that story came out about the $32 million in fundraising. My mom just emailed me and said that she is going to support Obama and I'm trying to get her to donate.
On the other hand Mormon Mitt is giving money hand over fist to his campaign. I don't want to take the thread off-topic, but I think Romney is the one who's in big trouble. |
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chronicpride

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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It's worth noting that the Clinton campaign isn't making any clear distinctions that her $5 million is on top of the $13 million she raised in Jan. If it was, lord knows that they'd be spinning an $18 million figure, before Super Tuesday. It's clear then that they were only able to raise $8 million funds in January, if you exclude Clinton's money. That's brutal. And that's despite polls showing that she holds national leads throughout Jan.
I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton self-funds more campaign money than she is able to publicly raise in Feb. She has no choice but to forego aggressively campaigning and advertising in Feb contests, and stake everything on Texas and Ohio in March. Obama is likely going to be coming off of a sweep of almost every primary and caucus in Feb, and Ohio and Texas airwaves will be drenched with his ads. If she loses one or both, it's over, as the Clintons will have to make a decision about their livelihood, in the event that they don't get the nomination. Bill is the breadwinner due to his stature being able to charge money for public speaking events. Do the Clintons put the bulk of their net worth on the line, knowing that Bill's public speaking allure and prestige will likely not be able to draw the same money, if Hillary loses? |
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Kuros
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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chronicpride wrote: |
I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton self-funds more campaign money than she is able to publicly raise in Feb. |
I would.
The release of this information is a ploy to:
a) get more money
b) appear as the underdog |
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chronicpride

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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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If so, then that's a lousy ploy, as Giuliani just tried the same thing in Jan and failed.
Besides, over 75% of her donors are already maxed out.
As for Obama, $6.2 million raised so far, in the past 26-27 hrs.  |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Unless Obama can sweep all the remaining contests a backroom deal is going to decide this thing. Billy is going to bend elbows on enough super delegates to get the nomination for Hillary. It sucks, but Obama is only up by one delegate at this point, and even if all the caucusers for Edwards go Obama he still can't win without super delegates and Clinton is up by over 250 of those. That leaves 500. Save your money for the general. |
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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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Wow...$6.2 that quickly....what are we up to almost $40 milllion since the beginning of the year? (I've been in Seoul for Lunar New Year and have limited internet/cable access so I'm out of the loop a bit). I guess I might have to get off the can and send more money.
What is so damn cool is my mom just said she's going to send money. It's pretty shocking given her past opinion of politics. I've been bugging her for a couple of months now. Yep, I have to match her donation now.
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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
Unless Obama can sweep all the remaining contests a backroom deal is going to decide this thing. Billy is going to bend elbows on enough super delegates to get the nomination for Hillary. It sucks, but Obama is only up by one delegate at this point, and even if all the caucusers for Edwards go Obama he still can't win without super delegates and Clinton is up by over 250 of those. That leaves 500. Save your money for the general. |
Czar,
This thing is a long ways from being over. The last I saw Clinton was up by about 100 superdelegates, not sure where you are getting the 250. Last I looked the full delegate count from this past Tuesday wasn't avaliable yet.
Yes We Can
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jjXyqcx-mYY&feature=related
Edit: Actually she's up by 87 superdelegates. There are 796 Super Delegates and only about 300 committed. That leaves almost 500 uncommitted Super Delegates.
Based on CNN:
Clinton:
Delegates: 630
Superdelegates: 193
Total: 823
Obama:
Delegates: 635
Superdelegates: 106
Total: 741
The difference is 82 and you need 2025 to clinch.
If Obama had lost some of those small states and not had the momentum coming into Super Tuesday, I'd agree with you.
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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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chronicpride wrote: |
If so, then that's a lousy ploy, as Giuliani just tried the same thing in Jan and failed.
Besides, over 75% of her donors are already maxed out.
As for Obama, $6.2 million raised so far, in the past 26-27 hrs.  |
I tend to agree, you can't claim to be the "underdog" when you have most of the Democratic Party establishment on your side. Especially the 800lb gorilla. |
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chronicpride

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
Unless Obama can sweep all the remaining contests a backroom deal is going to decide this thing. Billy is going to bend elbows on enough super delegates to get the nomination for Hillary. It sucks, but Obama is only up by one delegate at this point, and even if all the caucusers for Edwards go Obama he still can't win without super delegates and Clinton is up by over 250 of those. That leaves 500. Save your money for the general. |
The 500+ undecided superdelegates are sitting on the fence, because no one wants to risk backing the losing candidate. They will pledge once the primaries yield a frontrunner. If Obama is leading by delegates by late spring and no other big primary is looming that could close that gap, look for superdelegates to pledge en masse for him. Same situation applies for Hill. Once it's clear who the frontrunner is prior to the convention, there won't be split votes among superdelegates. They have a history of overwhelmingly getting on the bandwagon, once it looks politically safe to do so.
So if Obama sweeps Feb and then takes Ohio or Texas or both, expect the undecided superdelegate flood to begin to line up behind him.
PS. Superdelegates who have pledged to Hillary are still able to change their vote later, so technically, all superdelegate votes are still in play.
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Julius

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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So logically the best candidate is the person with the most money? wow.
"Obama has more money than Clinton! We better vote for him!" |
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chronicpride

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:06 am Post subject: |
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The issue is not necessarily who is vote-worthy due to how much cash they are able to raise. The significance is what the money can enable the politician to do in regards to promoting themselves.
In the 20th and 21st centuries, advertising has become a critical factor when trying to raise mass awareness about things, whether its a new product, cause, etc...And in particular, politics. Due to supply/demand, the cost to advertise on radio and television has risen a lot over the past 20-30 years. For example, one of the most watched events on TV is the Superbowl. There is such strong demand for advertisers to run commercials during that time, that a 30 second ad spot cost an avg of $2.8 million during the 2008 Superbowl.
So now imagine the potential cost of a politician who seeks to raise national awareness of themselves and their platform, as well as in targeted primary and caucus states. Not just TV ads, but also radio and print.
Furthermore, raising awareness about a politician in state primaries, requires an organized ground game. Hiring and paying state staffers to get the word out. Leasing of office space. Promotional material. The more organized and broad one's state infrastructure is for promoting your campaign, stimulates much more awareness.
Therefore, the more money that a politician raises enables them to compete much more and raise awareness of themselves. On the other hand, a lack of funding causes politicians to have to campaign less in states and focus their resources on other states. We saw this with the also-rans in the GOP race, and we are now beginning to see this with Hillary. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: |
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Some of the impressions on this thread need to be dispelled.
Clinton campaign opens its inner sanctum
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A hoarse-voiced Terry McAullife started things off by announcing that the campaign had raised 7.5M online since the beginning of the month and 6.4 million in the last 30 hours. "That has surprised me, and I'm the ultimate optimist," he said.
And, then "Hillary stepped up to the plate," he said, referring to her self-loan of $5M last month.
"By the way, all of our staff are going one hundred percent paid," he said, in reference to news reports that the senior staff had volunteered to work for free. |
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chronicpride

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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well, I'll be. The plan worked. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out over the next month. The white-color donors of Barack vs the blue-color donors of Obama. When her fund-raising tapers off again, will a similar stunt kickstart it again or will her women and low-income, low-education demographics start to consider someone that they don't need to factor in when doing their household budgeting? |
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Milwaukiedave
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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Julius wrote: |
So logically the best candidate is the person with the most money? wow.
"Obama has more money than Clinton! We better vote for him!" |
Most of those who have supported Obama have for a long time. The problem is with your insane statement is that many people said Obama couldn't raise enough money to campaign past Iowa or NH because the "Clinton fundraising machine" would raise millions of dollars and make it impossible for Obama to compete. The point is that "myth" has been totaly busted. It proves just how wrong people were about the Obama campaign. |
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