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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
Location: Chef School
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 Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Man Shoots Wife at Ohio Elementary School |
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A teacher's husband came to her Ohio elementary school Thursday and shot her, but no children were injured, police said.
The condition of the woman was not immediately known, and the shooter escaped. Authorities said they were in the process of trying to apprehend the man, but did not elaborate.
The shooting happened at Notre Dame Elementary in Portsmouth, a community in southern Ohio near the Kentucky border.
The school and another Catholic school nearby were locked down, said Deacon Tom Berg, vice chancellor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus.
"We are mobilizing our crisis team and sending them down," Berg said.
Public schools also were put on lockdown, said Superintendent Jan Broughton, who oversees the community's public schools. |
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting&printer=1;_ylt=Aoc47hnfX8TvHx3tOXRq9ptH2ocA
Husbands/boyfriends shooting or killing their wives/girlfriends is nothing new in American but this guy took it to a whole other level when he went and shot his wife in front of young children at their school. Those children will be traumatized for life. And he's still on the loose so there's no telling what else he might do before authorities catch him. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:39 am Post subject: |
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Just read that as well - messed up!
Do these things happen other places - or just predominately in the U.S.?
This weirder and weirder types of murder shootings are becoming way too commonplace. |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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But of course the US doesn't have a gun problem.
Murder is never . . . good, but this guy is especially thoughtless for not only taking it to the public but doing it at a school. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Smee wrote: |
But of course the US doesn't have a gun problem.
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The US has a gun problem today.
The US also had a liquor problem in the 20s. And a drug problem in the 70s & 80s (and even today). |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Lots of times these things actually happen after the woman gets a restraining order. A restraining order is the final nail in the guy's fantasy. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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In 30 years as a lawyer I defended 6 murder cases. Four of them were husbands blowing away straying wives.
Adultery is a blood sport. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
In 30 years as a lawyer I defended 6 murder cases. Four of them were husbands blowing away straying wives.
Adultery is a blood sport. |
It sounds like you are condoning the murderers and the murdering of wives who "stray." Or maybe you find some sympathy for guys who blow away their wives? Also, it sounds like you are presuming that the woman in this case was a 'straying wife.' |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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A shooting in the St. Louis area today:
6 dead after Gunfire at City Council meeting
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A gunman with a history of acrimony against city leaders stormed a council meeting Thursday night, killing two police officers and three other people before law enforcers fatally shot him, authorities said. The man's gunfire injured the mayor, a newspaper reported.
The victims at the meeting in suburban St. Louis were killed after the gunman rushed the council chambers and began firing as he yelled "Shoot the mayor," according to St. Louis County Police spokeswoman Tracy Panus. Two people were wounded, she said. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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When the details are out I am quite sure it will be an "straying wife" situation. Perhaps not.
I don't condone shooting a straying wife (or husband). Many take marital fidelity as paramount. In the Criminal Law in Canada there is a defence called "provocation". In essence it means that if the situation is one that would make one lose control, the jury can convict of manslaughter instead of first or second degree murder.
I will be frank and say the three of the four were "caught in the saddle" situations.
In all four cases the conviction was for manslaughter. Your average juror does not approve of adultery either. |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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| contrarian wrote: |
When the details are out I am quite sure it will be an "straying wife" situation. Perhaps not.
I don't condone shooting a straying wife (or husband). Many take marital fidelity as paramount. In the Criminal Law in Canada there is a defence called "provocation". In essence it means that if the situation is one that would make one lose control, the jury can convict of manslaughter instead of first or second degree murder.
I will be frank and say the three of the four were "caught in the saddle" situations.
In all four cases the conviction was for manslaughter. Your average juror does not approve of adultery either. |
I don't agree with that law you have in Canada. IOW, it's wrong. So if the guy commits premeditated murder, he gots off on a manslaughter charge just because the wife or g/f 'strayed.' I don't get it.
So what kind of punishment were they given? Probation?  |
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Vicissitude
Joined: 27 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Update with more disgusting details below:
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Suspect in Ohio school stabbing dies By TERRY KINNEY, Associated Press Writer
17 minutes ago
A teacher's estranged husband charged into her classroom Thursday morning, firing a gun before stabbing her as her fifth-grade students watched, police said. He later was found dead in his home after apparently shooting himself during a standoff with police.
The 53-year-old teacher, Christi Layne, underwent surgery and "should be fine," her lawyer told The Columbus Dispatch. Personnel at Cabell Hospital in Huntington, W.Va., where she being treated, would not release her condition Thursday night.
Police originally said William Michael Layne shot his wife at Notre Dame Elementary, but Chief Charles Horner said it was unclear whether a gunshot fired in the school hit her.
Minutes before the teacher was stabbed, police say, her husband stabbed and wounded a different woman in an alley about five blocks from the school.
Horner said at a news conference he did not know whether that victim, Stephanie Loop, knew either of the Laynes. Loop, 22, was at Grant Medical Center in Columbus, where staff would not release information about her.
Christi Layne had filed for divorce Jan. 25.
"She was terrified something like this would happen," said Rebecca Bennett, Christi Layne's attorney.
The shooting happened around 9 a.m. at the Catholic school on Portsmouth's main road near the Kentucky border. Student Emmaly Baker said she hid in the classroom's coatroom when the gunman came in.
"We heard gunshots, and we heard her yelling. I was scared," she told WSAZ-TV. "The police officer came and got us and she was still laying there and she was hurt really bad."
The suspect fled, and for hours after the shooting, a SWAT team surrounded a house about two miles away. Neighbors saw officers shooting at the house at one point, and police said those shots were with low-caliber bullets used to disable a surveillance camera Layne had installed in his yard.
Neighbor Jack Freeland said police eventually broke through the door with a battering ram and sent in a robot.
Police had been involved in a domestic dispute between the Laynes about two weeks ago, Horner said, without elaborating.
The 56-year-old suspect, known as Mike, was a retired assistant director at the city's water distribution plant. He apparently shot himself in the head with a shotgun, Coroner Terry Johnson said. He was found in the garage behind his house, Horner said.
Freeland, 37, who often talked with the suspect, said that the couple had separated last summer and that Layne had been acting strangely for several months.
"At nighttime, he was out digging up his yard at 1, 2 in the morning," he said.
Parents, many with cell phones clutched to their ears, congregated across the street from the school and began leaving with their children around 10:30 a.m., said Kathy Hall, the office manager at the Cornerstone United Methodist Church, which also is across the street.
Police said they were reviewing surveillance video from the school to determine how Layne entered the building.
"The doors are locked. So people can't just walk into the school," said Larry Mullins, spokesman for the county's Emergency Management Agency.
The school and another Catholic school nearby were locked down after the stabbing, said Deacon Tom Berg, vice chancellor of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Columbus. Classes were canceled for Friday, Berg said.
Thursday evening, an overflow crowd of more than 500 jammed St. Mary's Roman Catholic Church in Portsmouth for a prayer service. Many said they did not know the victims but came to show support for the families and students affected by the attacks.
Mike Sammons said he went to the church because his daughter had been Christi Layne's student.
"You think in a small town, a small Christian school, you send your children there to kind of protect them from things like this," Sammons said. "But you just never know when or where things are going to happen."
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Associated Press writers Doug Whiteman, Philip Elliott and Meghan Barr in Columbus and Thomas J. Sheeran in Cleveland contributed to this report.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080208/ap_on_re_us/school_shooting&printer=1;_ylt=AnKyS9kdYhSRCFHADV4S1DBH2ocA
The year is still young but I'm willing to nominate him for the "Schmuck of the Year" award! |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 7:24 am Post subject: |
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My original comment was that adultery was a "blood sport". Meaning in part that getting involved with another (Loop?) or just leaving a spouse is dangerous. It seems to have been so. In this case for reasonscited below, it is moot, because the guy is dead.
Provocation is based on a set of facts, and usually must be spontaneous, that would poison the ability to form the requisate intention for premeditation. The penalty for manslaughter can be up to life (a life sentance in that instance would give parole eligability in 7 years). In my opinion of the four that received manslaughter convictions 2 were totally genuine and the other two were close enough for reasonable doubt as to the intention.
I would also note that recent moral decay has justified adultery and straying in more in use. The provision still stands in the law in almost all Common Law systems. Oh yes, in one of the four the lover was another woman. Same result with a much quicker jury return.
There was also another case in the past two or three cases from Utah, where the husband shot his wife in the church parking lot. He too will be convicted. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| I would also note that recent moral decay has justified adultery and straying in more in use. |
Thank god we're still not living with previous moral decay or we'd be really screwed!
So... um... when has society been pristine then? |
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