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On the other hand



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:57 am    Post subject: The Maharishi is dead Reply with quote

Sexy Sadie, you'll get yours yet...

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THE HAGUE, Netherlands - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a guru to the Beatles who introduced the West to transcendental meditation, has died at his home in the Dutch town of Vlodrop, a spokesman said Tuesday. He was thought to be 91 years old.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23018484/
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patongpanda



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why did the Maharishi refuse anaesthesia when having his wisdom teeth removed?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lennon was right. The Giggling Guru was a shameless old fraud


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"Boys! Boys! What's wrong? Why are you leaving?" the Maharishi is said to have shouted after them.


"If you're so *beep* cosmic, you'll know," came Lennon's withering reply.



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did his body float right before he died?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Disaster struck midway through the seminar, when news came through that Brian Epstein, The Beatles' manager, had died from a drugs overdose.

The group, who relied on him to orchestrate every aspect of their lives, were devastated, but the Maharishi treated his death as a minor mishap.

"He was sort of saying, 'Look, forget it! Be happy!'" remarked Lennon later, adding caustically: "F*****g idiot."


At the time The Beatles couldn't see through such insensitive behaviour.

It seemed only to confirm one of their new guru's favourite phrases (which became the title of a George Harrison LP): "All things must pass."



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So, the following February, 1968, the four beaming, flower-garlanded band-members flew to India, where they were to spend several months deepening their knowledge of Transcendental Meditation at his ashram in Rishikesh.



So, Lennon characterized the Maharashi as a "F*****ing idiot" for teaching things that Lennon himself at the time accepted as valid?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've misinterpreted the quote. Lennon called Maharashi an effing idiot because of his reaction to the death of Brain Epstein.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You've misinterpreted the quote. Lennon called Maharashi an effing idiot because of his reaction to the death of Brain Epstein.


No, I realize that. But read what comes next...

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At the time The Beatles couldn't see through such insensitive behaviour.

It seemed only to confirm one of their new guru's favourite phrases (which became the title of a George Harrison LP): "All things must pass."


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So, the following February, 1968, the four beaming, flower-garlanded band-members flew to India, where they were to spend several months deepening their knowledge of Transcendental Meditation at his ashram in Rishikesh.


So, if Lennon later claimed that the Maharashi's reaction to Epstein's death proved that the guru was a "f*****ing idiot", what does it say about Lennon that he didn't realize that at the time, and in fact continued to seek guidance from the Maharashi by going to India?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He felt his idiocy didn't as yet go beyond the Epstein incident?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the perspective of the Krishna Consciousness movement (which George Harrison became more associated with after meeting its founder, Bhakivedanta Swami) the Maharishi was mainly a clever businessman who took advantage of America's naive interest in Eastern mysticism.

This article suggests that he perhaps got more serious about understanding Vedic scriptures in his last years...

Feb 6, THE HAGUE, NETHERLANDS (NYT) � Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, a guru to the Beatles who introduced the West to transcendental meditation, died Tuesday at his home in the Dutch town of Vlodrop, a spokesman said. He was thought to be 91 years old.

"He died peacefully at about 7 p.m.," said Bob Roth, a spokesman for the Transcendental Meditation movement that the Maharishi founded. He said his death appeared to be due to "natural causes, his age."

Once dismissed as hippie mysticism, the Hindu practice of mind control known as meditation gradually gained medical respectability.

Maharishi Yogi began teaching TM in 1955 and brought the technique to the United States in 1959. But the movement really took off after the Beatles attended one of his lectures in 1967 and visited his ashram in India in 1968.

Donations and the $2,500 fee to learn TM financed the construction of Peace Palaces, or meditation centers, in dozens of cities around the world. It paid for hundreds of new schools in India. In 1971, Maharishi founded a university in Fairfield, Iowa, that taught meditation alongside the arts and sciences to 700 students and served organic vegetarian food in its cafeterias.

Maharishi was born Mahesh Srivastava in central India, reportedly on Jan. 12, 1917 -- though he refused to confirm the date or discuss his early life. He studied physics at Allahabad University before becoming secretary to a well known Hindu holy man. After the death of his teacher, Maharishi went into a nomadic two-year retreat of silence in the Himalayan foothills of northern India.

With his background in physics, he brought his message to the West in a language mixing occult and science that became the buzz of college campuses. He described TM as "the unified field of all the laws of nature." But aides say Maharishi became disillusioned that TM had become identified with the counterculture.

In 1990 he moved onto the wooded grounds of a monastery in Vlodrop, about 125 miles southeast of Amsterdam. In fragile health, he secluded himself in two rooms of the wooden pavilion he built on the compound, studying sanskrit and scripture until his passing.

http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/news/02-08/news1810.htm

(Incidently, on that website - an independent Hare Krishna forum - there's a current an article written by me (under my "spiritual" name, Raghunatha Puri dasa) about a technical "guru" issue..
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/index.htm
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/02-08/editorials2499.htm
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He felt his idiocy didn't as yet go beyond the Epstein incident?


Well, the death of a best friend is a pretty major event, not like losing your car keys or something. Imagine your best friend dies, and the spiritual advice I give you about the matter is so bad that it prompts you to label me a "f*cking idiot". Would you then be inclined to follow me to India, at your own expense, to receive more advice along the same lines?

Of course, where I'm going with this is that I think Lennon's remarks represent his opinions at the time of the interview, and that in 1967 he was probably just as enraptured with the "f*cking idiot" as anyone else.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never a fan, but he did play an important role in the New Age movement in bringing meditation to the West. In its secular form, meditation has played a constructive role in stress management.

In the Hindu/Buddhist view of life being an illusion and detachment from this world, his advice about moving on past the death of someone makes sense. Besides, death is a lot less serious if you believe in reincarnation.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OTOH,

You�re following an ad hominem argument. I like Plato. I�m a platonist � a contentious position. So, I�m hanging out in ancient Greece with Plato, and he remarks on the death of a dear friend as nothing to get worked up about, in the grand scheme of things�.and thus, it simply follows, I should dispense with platonic metaphysics as a result?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You�re following an ad hominem argument.


Well, I don't think it's ad hominem, because, when you're choosing a spiritual advisor, it seems to me that his opinion on life-and-death issues is going to by a pretty central part of the criteria. I should think that, for most people, an "idiotic" opinion on death and its significance would pretty much be a deal-breaker. But hey, maybe that's just me.
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Czarjorge



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if David Lynch cried.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As our local representative in the area, I think Czarjorge should run down to Fairfield and see how the death of the guru is affecting his university. (And maybe pay some money to learn to levitate.)
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