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[Ya-ta Boy]

[mithridates]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

poll them and the results will be different.

just like the US armed forces.

http://lonestartimes.com/2008/02/05/do-the-troops-support-ron-paul/

[agentX]

Those numbers are striking and it shows what the mindset of the troops/veterans are to some degree.

Nevertheless, the voting results show that he didn't have any sustainable support.

His supporters are too scattered around the country to even carry a state. Being "close" only counts in a Democratic race; most of the Feb 5th states are winner-take-all, and I think some more of those afterwards are as well.

He's had sufficient exposure. He's been on a multitude of talk shows, both TV and radio. He's been on MTV, twice. He even went to the AA debates, with Huck and Tancredo. He was on right-wing and left-wing shows (Ed Schultz) multiple times.
At the debates, he got the most audience 'pop'.

He had his chance to win it and he didn't, plain and simple. If he's saying he did better than expected, then that's his opinion. But you play the game to win. This was his chance; the GOP was fractured all over the place between the various idiotic ideologies of their borderline coalition which was unified on the basis of propaganda, cronyism, and greed. Paul and McCain didn't break the party; Bush did. With all the fracticious infighting going on, Paul could have won it, if he played his cards right. But he didn't.

The only way for him to win now would be if Huck and Ronmey dropped out and gave him their delegates; dunno if that's against the rules or not, but that has only a snowball's chance in hell of happening.
IF it does happen, that might be the GOP's last best chance of not collapsing due to McCain's nomination.

[mithridates]

Thanks for the thoughtful post. Yes, it's pretty much impossible now and I always wonder if he isn't really doing the whole thing for an independent run, especially with his new book coming out right around the end of the primaries when it doesn't help him at all.

Either that or his goal all the time has just been to reignite the standard conservative movement and bring in more like-minded people into congress and the senate this time. Who knows. There are definitely a lot more people this time around that are going to be running for congress on his platform, so at the very least it's had that effect.

[mithridates]

Strange, Ron Paul doesn't look like he's going to concede:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGaZsAeMKFo

[Gopher]

Two reasons for that: he has money from his internet supporters to last a while longer; and he has no grasp of reality.

Do he and his supporters realize that he will not even likely be invited to speak or even opine in writing at the convention?

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Well I just hope Ron Paul's non American supporters keep sending him money. What could be the harm in that?

[ontheway]

As the neocon clones drop out, for lack of money and support, and line up behind McCain, it is still possible that McCain will not have a majority of delegates lined up for a first ballot victory in Minneapolis in September. Then the convention would be wide open. Fewer than half of the delegates have been selected, so we'll see. It's a three way race now: McClone, Huckabee and Paul.

You can be sure the party insiders pushed hard on Giulinani and Romney to get out and defer to McCain. Of course Giulinani lost to Ron Paul in nearly every vote and Romney's wife got tired of buying votes with their own cash ... Romney must have spent more than $15 of his own money per vote.

Gopher's dream of excluding Ron Paul will only happen if he walks out first to take a third party or independent run. Possible of course, but the Rs are likely to give him a speaking slot to keep him in the party. It would be nearly impossible for Ron Paul to run 3/I at such a late date, although it would be a great show if he did.

Gopher's belief that the party insiders would exclude Ron Paul confirms that he too recognizes the conspiracy against Ron Paul. It is part of the 50 to 1 bias in media coverage, the slanderous coverage when granted, excluding Ron Paul's name from ballots and voting machines and preventing registered voters who might support Ron Paul from voting, all documented.

Here is a truth filled look at the inside of the land of neocons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cDQVEqhwds

[Gopher]

You speak of "Gopher's dream" and "Gopher's belief" while living in the most absurd dream-world I can imagine.

You have got to have delegates and major leverage in the form of Republican voters backing you to carry any weight at the convention. Ron Paul just has some money and an internet-based backing.

Post all the internet polls and youtube.com vids you like. It changes the calculus underlying the convention's likely result not one iota.

[bacasper]

[The_Conservative]

[Gopher]

For Ron Paul's campaign and his supporters to threaten to destabilize American civil-military relations like this is simply the height of irresponsibility -- and another reason we should never grant this man any political power whatsoever.

Politicizing the military, or "the troops," if you will, like this is a reckless idea.

[Ya-ta Boy]

[bacasper]