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thepeel
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 Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: Assimilation is a crime against humanity |
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( dpa ) - A crowd of 16,000 expatriate Turks cheered Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a vast indoor auditorium in Germany on Sunday as he told them to resist assimilation into the West.
The political rally by Germany's biggest ethnic minority upset German politicians, who objected to a major public event on German soil being advertised on posters in Turkish only.
Erdogan indirectly addressed those concerns, saying it was right for Turkish immigrants to learn German and other languages so they could integrate, but wrong to abandon their Turkish heritage and assimilate.
"Assimilation is a crime against humanity," he told the crowd. Many Turks had travelled from France, Belgium and the Netherlands to hear his hour-long address in the shiny venue, the Koelnarena. |
http://news.trendaz.com/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1132089&lang=EN |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Assimilation is a crime against humanity. |
Nevertheless, resistance is futile...
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| They sound like the Bloc. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| riverboy wrote: |
| They sound like the Bloc. |
It should be no surprise that the doctrine of multicult (as is understood now) arose to pacify French separatists in Quebec. I don't know if Ol'Pierre would think Eurabia a positive outcome to Canada's greatest policy export.
Could a non-muslim, non-Turk leader speak to non-muslim/Turk groups in Turkey and say the same thing?? Maybe the Kurds (who only first half the profile) would have a few comments about a speech like this. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| I hope the Kurds throw it back in their face. I wonder if we would go to war with Turkey over an attempt by the kurds to form a unified (in Turkey, Iran and Iraq) Kurdistan. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I hope the Kurds throw it back in their face. I wonder if we would go to war with Turkey over an attempt by the kurds to form a unified (in Turkey, Iran and Iraq) Kurdistan. |
Turkey has a very large military. I seriously doubt it. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I hope the Kurds throw it back in their face. I wonder if we would go to war with Turkey over an attempt by the kurds to form a unified (in Turkey, Iran and Iraq) Kurdistan. |
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| Honor killings, driven by the view that a family's honor is paramount, are an ancient tradition associated with Kurdish regions of Iraq, Iran and Turkey as well as tribal areas in Pakistan and some Arab societies. While the rest of Iraq is preoccupied with the violence that has followed the U.S. invasion of 2003, the more peaceful Kurdish enclave of the country stands out in its attitude to honor killings. Some reports cite several hundred honor killings or related suicides a year in Iraqi Kurdistan, which has more than 4 million people. But there are no reliable statistics for a crime that is difficult to prove without effective law enforcement and the cooperation of tribal communities. One theory circulating in Kurdistan is that because penalties for murder have been stiffened, more men are resorting to coercing women into killing themselves. Many women turn up at hospitals with severe burns that doctors suspect are the result of suicide attempts linked to family honor, possibly coerced by male relatives who don't want to kill the women and face prosecution for murder. |
Get a load of this:
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| Cell phones are also part of the problem. According to a columnist in Soma Digest, an English-language newspaper in Kurdistan, there are cases of men dialing randomly until they reach a woman, whom they then harass with more calls or text messages. Saved in the phone's memory, these raunchy calls can endanger the woman's life if a male relative discovers them and believes they are from a boyfriend, the newspaper said. |
Guardian
The Kurds, like the Palestinians, are overrated. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Justin Hale"]
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| Cell phones are also part of the problem. According to a columnist in Soma Digest, an English-language newspaper in Kurdistan, there are cases of men dialing randomly until they reach a woman, whom they then harass with more calls or text messages. Saved in the phone's memory, these raunchy calls can endanger the woman's life if a male relative discovers them and believes they are from a boyfriend, the newspaper said. |
That is fucked up. |
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riverboy
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon
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The west has its own version of Honour killings.
Woman leave man, man getks all riled up, goes and kills wife, children and then commits suicide.
Let's call it secularized honour killing. Much more liberating.
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| That is *beep* up. |
Seriously though, it is messed up. |
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W.T.Carl
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| So much for Turkey's chances for joining the EU. |
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The_Conservative
Joined: 15 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| I hope the Kurds throw it back in their face. I wonder if we would go to war with Turkey over an attempt by the kurds to form a unified (in Turkey, Iran and Iraq) Kurdistan. |
Turkey is part of NATO. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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Dam right; they should certainly be made to assimilate, after all what is the point in living in a tolerant society when you have people going around insisting on keeping their own cultural identity  |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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Sure, if all cultures are the same and have the same social outcomes then it is fine for different cultures to shun the host and just be themselves.
However, when one graduates from sociology 101, he should realize that the above only exists in the minds of people who want it to be true.
By the way.
Culture = a shared perspective (right and wrong, gender relations etc)
Cultural artifact= food, wine, dance, totem poles.
Multiculturalism is not possible with muslims. Multi-cultural-artifact-ism might be.
So, the next time a riot breaks out and some mindless leftist starts talking about how Germans/Dutch/Brits need to be more tolerant and accepting so that the muslims can become part of the beautiful "mosaic" remember that a leader of a "moderate" muslim nation went to Germany and demanded that his people not assimilate.
This is an undeniable fifth column now. |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| thepeel wrote: |
Sure, if all cultures are the same and have the same social outcomes then it is fine for different cultures to shun the host and just be themselves.
However, when one graduates from sociology 101, he should realize that the above only exists in the minds of people who want it to be true. |
I think you're confusing multiculturalism with assimilation. Multiculturalism means or refers to multiple cultures living side by side within the same area, while assimilation refers to newcomers to a country or a place relinquishing their language and ties to their previous culture. Assimilation may not be possible but multiculturalism will always exist where more than one culture lives side by side.
People of the Jewish faith were accused of not properly assimilating prior to world war two, and remember what happened to them, not to mention a half dozen ethnic groups;Croats, Armenians, Serbs, Gypsies, etc, etc.
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So, the next time a riot breaks out and some mindless leftist starts talking about how Germans/Dutch/Brits need to be more tolerant and accepting so that the muslims can become part of the beautiful "mosaic" remember that a leader of a "moderate" muslim nation went to Germany and demanded that his people not assimilate. |
I hate to break it to you but Europeans, especially the French, are quite famous for starting riots with little help from outsiders.
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This is an undeniable fifth column now. |
What the hell does this mean? |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:25 am Post subject: |
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-a fifth column is a reference to the Spainish Civil War when Franco marched on somewhere(was it barcellona?Seville?Or Madrid) and anounced he had 4 columns to fight with and that a "fifth column would rise up with in the city to support him" the term was then used to describe nazi sympathizers in the UK during the time up until the Second World War.
--The argument is that when assimilation is considered evil, and that one's loyalties lie to a foreign country, while being in another, would a Turk in Germany, although a German citizen be urged to protect a Turksih Terrorist? Would he be asked to make his wife and female children follow Islamic Ways? Turkey has become more fundamentalist in the last few years, to the HORROR of most Turks in the West of the country. |
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