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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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 Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 12:33 am Post subject: Re: Yes |
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| Mr. Kalgukshi wrote: |
J.B. Clamence wrote:
"In the U.S., a student who wanted to do this would be told to wait until after graduation to get a job. I guess that's just too much to ask of students here."
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Yes, it's very true. Korea is not the U.S.A. The U.S.A. is not Korea. The rules are different. So are the players. So are the officials. Foreign players must follow the in-country rules. It does require changing one's way of thinking, at least for as long as you are playing in their league. |
I agree completely. If you are under the impression that this contradicts what I was saying, then you missed my point.
The point which I was making, which I believe is the same point some other posters are making, is that the rules in Korea are quite lax in comparison to the rules in the west, and the result is that students are not expected to take their university education as seriously as in the west.
After reading your reply, you seem to be under the impression that I refuse to play along, but that's not true (and I never said that I didn't play along). Of course, as a university teacher here in Korea, I am expected to play by Korean rules, and I do. I had several students approach me at the beginning of the semester, saying that they were working and wanted to be excused from class for the semester, and I granted permission to all of them, because that's the Korean way. But that doesn't mean that I have to approve of the system. That's what I was doing here: I was simply voicing my disapproval of the system; I was NOT saying that I wouldn't play along. |
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justagirl
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:37 am Post subject: |
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At the university I taught at for a year in Korea, the situation was pretty cut-and-dried.
If you miss more than 5 classes, it was a mandatory F. This was explained on the first day in Korean and English. (They even had to sign a paper saying they understood this)
Grades were divided between homework, tests, and projects.
Midterm: 30% of grade
Final: 30% of grade
the rest: 40% of grade
If the student ended up with 50% or lower, they got an F. If they wanted to question their grade, they had one week to do so at the end of the semester. All a teacher had to do was show them their homework and their tests and that it was lower than 50%. It's a bit hard to argue with a teacher when your own work is F quality.
This was and still is the same for all 15-20 foreign teachers at the university, as it's not our policy, but the school's.
As far as missing a midterm or final? They have to have a very good reason to do so. In any situation, they have to have written permission from the head of the department stating why they will not be there, and they have to bring a signed note from where they went. If it was the military medical check, they get their absent permission slip signed there and they bring it back with them. This is also explained in Korean on the first day and it's the same for all classes, not just English class. If there is no pink "I was gone, here is the department ok-ing it" slip, it is unexcused.
Just thought I'd add in what it was like at my university.  We also were not allowed to give more than 20% of the students A's. This was more of a problem than giving F's--some of the classes had excellent students that had to get a B+. If I were to change one thing about the university, it would be that!
Hope this helps to give another idea of other universities in Korea!
justagirl
ps--edited to say one more time that these weren't the foreign-teachers' policies, but the university's, so if you like the idea of passing all students because "that's how we do it in Korea," please don't flame me because I didn't make the rules at the university. Thanks.  |
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simulated stereo
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: municipal flat block 18-A Linear North
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| Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Just thought I'd add in what it was like at my university. We also were not allowed to give more than 20% of the students A's. This was more of a problem than giving F's--some of the classes had excellent students that had to get a B+. If I were to change one thing about the university, it would be that! |
My school has the same policy except we can give up to 25% of the students A's. I definitely agree that that's more of a problem than giving out F's. |
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