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Justin Hale
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
From your link:
Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, [b]but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
sounds like you're the douchebag. |
The key word being "possibly". Of course it's "possible". The question is, is it, definitely? The answer is a straightforward nope. And why not? Well, it's quite simple really. Solar activity peaked between 1985 and 1987.
So, if it ain't the sun, what it is that's responsible? Human-created carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
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blaseblasphemener
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
From your link:
Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, [b]but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
sounds like you're the douchebag. |
The key word being "possibly". Of course it's "possible". The question is, is it, definitely? The answer is a straightforward nope. And why not? Well, it's quite simple really. Solar activity peaked between 1985 and 1987.
So, if it ain't the sun, what it is that's responsible? Human-created carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
K? |
CO2 may very well be heating up the earth, that is a distinct possibility; what is clear, and which in fact has been shown with the studies cited in the link, is that the sun has played the overwhelming role in the temperature on earth. And, if past trends and cycles continue, the role of the sun will indeed cool, not heat, the earth. If the sun stops sending down as much radiation, the earth will get colder. |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mainstream scientists agree the sun does have some influence on fluctuations in the Earth's temperature. However, the global warming since 1985 has, straightforwardly, not been caused by the sun.
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"Up until 1985 you could argue that the sun was [trending] in a direction that could have contributed to Earth's rising temperatures," said study author A. Mike Lockwood of the University of Southampton in Britain.
Two decades ago, "it did a U-turn. If the sun had been warming the Earth, that should have come to an end, and we should have seen temperatures start to go the other way," Lockwood said.
Yet Earth's temperatures have continued to climb since that date�making a strong solar role in warming appear unlikely.
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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070712-sun-climate.html |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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2007 was Tenth Warmest for U.S., Fifth Warmest Worldwide
January 15, 2008
The average temperature for the contiguous U.S. in 2007 is officially the tenth warmest on record, according to data from scientists at NOAA�s National Climatic Data Center in Asheville, N.C. The agency also determined the global surface temperature last year was the fifth warmest on record.
U.S. Temperature Highlights
(Credit: NOAA)
The average U.S. temperature for 2007 was 54.2�F; 1.4�F warmer than the 20th century mean of 52.8�F. NCDC originally estimated in mid-December that 2007 would end as the eighth warmest on record, but below-average temperatures in areas of the country last month lowered the annual ranking. For Alaska, 2007 was the 15th warmest year since statewide records began in 1918.
Six of the 10 warmest years on record for the contiguous U.S. have occurred since 1998, part of a three decade period in which mean temperatures for the contiguous U.S. have risen at a rate near 0.6�F per decade. |
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genezorm
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| Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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| i always said man will be able to walk on the sun in winter when it is the coldest |
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asylum seeker
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
From your link:
Other recent research has suggested that the effects of variations in the sun's output are "negligible" as a factor in warming, [b]but other, more complicated solar mechanisms could possibly play a role.
sounds like you're the douchebag. |
The key word being "possibly". Of course it's "possible". The question is, is it, definitely? The answer is a straightforward nope. And why not? Well, it's quite simple really. Solar activity peaked between 1985 and 1987.
So, if it ain't the sun, what it is that's responsible? Human-created carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases
K? |
I'm sorry I flamed you in that other thread now.  |
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ED209
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| genezorm wrote: |
| i always said man will be able to walk on the sun in winter when it is the coldest |
Why not just go there at night-time? |
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genezorm
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| ED209 wrote: |
| genezorm wrote: |
| i always said man will be able to walk on the sun in winter when it is the coldest |
Why not just go there at night-time? |
yeah at night and in the winter....then i'm sure they could do it |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| There will be another Ice Age! |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| You can't stop it! |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Is it a more imminent, serious danger than human-caused climate change? |
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cbclark4
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Silly human pride.
The Sun is much more powerful than the
mere misadventure of humankind. |
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The_Conservative
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| Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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THE SKY IS FALLING!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!
THE EARTH IS GETTING WARMER!
THE EARTH IS GETTING COLDER!
WE'LL ALL DIE IN A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST!
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some waygug-in
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
Silly human pride.
The Sun is much more powerful than the
mere misadventure of humankind. |
You didn't answer my question. I'll just straight-up give you the facts. Sunspot cycles are quite frequent, quite short and do not explain the start and end of ice ages (but do explain temperature variations within them). The last ice age lasted for 100,000 years. Sunspot decreases last for decades.
The Pleistocene epoch, when the last ice age was, saw the advent of modern humans also.
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THE SKY IS FALLING!!! RUN FOR THE HILLS!!!
THE EARTH IS GETTING WARMER!
THE EARTH IS GETTING COLDER!
WE'LL ALL DIE IN A NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST!
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The above serves as a chilling reminder that one must avoid TEFL at all costs. Got anything worth reading?
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