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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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Windows XP works.
The advantages that Linux will give you over XP is cost, apparently.
In my experience, if I get paid $13 an hour at a hagwon then spending 1 hour to install linux on my computer, 2 hours to install various drivers on my laptop(printer, webcam etc) and 10+ hours feeling at home with the operating system just to baulk at every new game/piece of software that comes out then I think that the advantage in price to Linux is superficial.
(if anybody on this board wants to sell me a laptop with linux/apache/php/mysql installed then Pm me.) |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Definitely. Linux, in my experience, is at least 100 times more stable than windows and infinitely more virus free.) |
XP is incredibly stable (only crashed twice on me in 4 years) so I'm not sure how you can claim linux to be 100 times more stable unless you're drinking linux flavored kool aid.
Virus free is only because no one is writing viruses for linux due to the low user base. it's just not worth a virus writers time (same for Mac) but once enough people switch, then you'll see tons of viruses.
Having said all that i tried ubuntu and it just wouldn't install. I wasted 5 hours trying to get it to work (two different times) and decided it wasn't worth it. Linux is not mature enough of an o/s at this point. (fifth post down from the top)
I'll give linux a try in another year or so... |
XP only crashed twice in four years? How often do you use it and what for?
Actually there are virtually no viruses for linux because it's just plain secure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_computer_viruses |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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The same arguments are made by the Macheads and the same reply stands.
Bottom line is that 90% of the computers (home) in the world run Windows. Mac and *.nix are such a fraction of the remaining 10% that nobody can be bothered to write a virus.
Linux is a prime candidate for viruses. If it gains momentum (which it won't, but let's pretend) with the same lack of accountability it has currently in the programming area, viruses will proliferate.
Simply put, and this is the same argument which stands for Mac's 'security', is that *.nix simply isn't a target. None of the nasty folks who write viruses are aiming at Linux, so there are no viruses. Don't confuse this fact with Linux actually being secure.
You will rarely have an accident if you are the only car on the road. |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| If you get a virus then you shouldn't be downloading stupid stuff. If you've a bit of technical know-how (my uncle wants to give you 2 million dollars btw, pm me for details) then you can avoid viruses. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I want to learn linux because windows keeps getting more and more bloated and there are few things in the world that I hate more than bloatware.
Linux seems to run a lot "cleaner" from what I've seen, being free is always a bonus, and then there's that handy +3 to geek bonus. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Did you read what i wrote?
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Virus free is only because no one is writing viruses for linux due to the low user base. it's just not worth a virus writers time (same for Mac) but once enough people switch, then you'll see tons of viruses. |
I am a poweruser (use my computer about 12 hours a day - every day) with windows doing a large variety of things including video editing, audio editing (simple only), photo editing, web site design and maintenance, usually with multiple programs running at the same time in multiple monitors - I know my computer well and take it to the limits.
I stand by what I said - XP is incredibly stable. I'm also using Vista 64bit and am finding it to be a good o/s though there is still room for improvement.
Whenever people rant about the instabilities of windows I wonder if they are still using win 98 or winMe. Usually that is the last version of windows they used and they've since been drinking mac flavored kool-aid or the spiked version linux kool-aid. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, I guess I am just deluding myself. Linux I'm sure would be plagued with virii if it had a user base as big as Windows and Mac is already on it's way.
I do stand by it being more secure and stable than Windows however. I have been running XP off and on since it came out and it's crashed on me more times than I can remember and occasionally nearly ground to a halt with viruses despite protection.
I do a fair amount of recording and audio editing with it as there are some great windows audio apps out there. (not so much for Linux: one of my gripes) |
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wormholes101
Joined: 11 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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My only gripe about Ubuntu is the lack of good dvd burning software. |
gnome baker seems to be the best i've tried... u tried that yet? |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Yes, I guess I am just deluding myself. |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| I do stand by it being more secure and stable than Windows however. |
Delusion is bliss. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:13 am Post subject: |
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My only gripe about Ubuntu is the lack of good dvd burning software. |
gnome baker seems to be the best i've tried... u tried that yet? |
I use K3b |
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Zutronius
Joined: 16 Apr 2007
Location: Suncheon
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:27 am Post subject: |
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I tried using De Ve De and tovid to burn dvds, but i find it a cumbersome program.
I'll try k3b again. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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I do stand by it being more secure and stable than Windows however. I have been running XP off and on since it came out and it's crashed on me more times than I can remember and occasionally nearly ground to a halt with viruses despite protection.
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I think a lot of XP crashes have to do more with substandard hardware than with the OS. On the computers that I've built with quality parts and that have been properly maintained, XP was rock solid. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject: New direction |
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I have question about desktop environments.
It seems like the main 3 are gnome, kde, and xfce. Which ones have you guys tried, and how do they compare?
Are the GUI menus fully developed but not overly cluttered? Are they skinnable? Other cool/useful features? |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: New direction |
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| It seems like the main 3 are gnome, kde, and xfce. Which ones have you guys tried, and how do they compare? |
Yeah. I went to the SUSE site to look around and they have two different iso's for download one is gnome and one is kde, but there is no explanation of the differences. Very newbie friendly, not. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think linux expects their users to be very informed.
I've gotten the general impression that gnome is supposed to be really simple, kde is kinda similar but with a lot more options - more complex. And xfc I haven't found as much about but I know their goal is to also offer some eye candy while being lightweight and intuitive - which sounds very nice at least in theory.
I really want some feedback from people who've actually used them and can tell me what they feel like though. |
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