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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject:

Why not just use the quote function, like this...?

Gopher wrote:

I agree that Ralph Nader has at least some attractive qualities as a potential, albiet unlikely, president.

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:

...this is a radical board.

There is no question about it. Sighs, indeed. Radicals have been sighing and asking the "why-is-there-no-Socialism-in-the-United-States?" question in their own way -- that is, "why Goddamit!!! is there no Socialism in the United States?" with increasing frequency since the 1960s.

Let me clue them in. There is no capitalist conspiracy to thwart socialist reform or dupe organized labor via trade-unionism, etc.

Rather, there is no grass-roots support for such radicalism in the United States. There never has been. Not for the radical left; not for the radical right. Note Ron Paul never shows higher than nine percent or so.

Take FDR and the New Deal. At one point he attempted to pack the Supreme Court to get his non-emergency New Deal social reforms off the ground. A bipartisan conservative coalition in Congress (Southern Democrats and national Republicans) blocked him and backed the Court as it was. Later FDR attempted to purge these conservative Southern Democrats and remake the Democratic Party into a purely progressive, reformist party. Failed. Then the war came and all of it fell into the background (for the time being; Truman, JFK, and esp. LBJ picked it up again and made additional gains in civil rights, etc.)

In any case, why did FDR fail here? The answer is obvious: where was the radical grass-roots support in the electorate that should have backed him by electing his kind of Democrats to Congress? He intervened in state and local elections and asked the American people, who largely supported him, to do just that. Why did they decline to follow him here...?

America is not a radical place, then, Michael Moore and co. notwithstanding. And why do you think Michael Moore and co. get so frustrated and worked up, calling Americans "the stupidest people on the planet?"

"Are we losing the battle?" Edit: What battle? Whose battle? Do you claim to represent and speak for "the people's" interests? What if they do not vote as you would have them vote? Your question suggests that you have been living in a dreamworld of radical potentialities and are just now waking up to reality...

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject:

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I agree that Ralph Nader has at least some attractive qualities as a potential, albiet unlikely, president.

Yes, Goph and I occasionally agree.

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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote:
...this is a radical board.

There is no question about it. Sighs, indeed. Radicals have been sighing and asking the "why-is-there-no-Socialism-in-the-United-States?" question in their own way -- that is, "why Goddamit!!! is there no Socialism in the United States?" with increasing frequency since the 1960s.

Here in this bit, GOPher jumps to his most radical, baseless conclusion.

To begin with, though: I must agree with him (and Joo). This is a radical board...based on the US population.

I will begin my critique here. This is Dave's eslcafe. It's not Dave's usacafe. That could be the end of GOPher's post right there.

GOPh, you chose to post on the eslcafe, not the usacafe, so cease and desist labeling this board by conservative, USA standards. The positions on this board are only radical if you come from Buttrash, Nebraska and think everyone should adopt the practices of Buttrash, Nebraska.

Perhaps, as a knee-jerk reaction, you'll say you weren't talking about the board itself, but just the USA. Hmm... Let's see:

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Let me clue them in. There is no capitalist conspiracy to thwart socialist reform or dupe organized labor via trade-unionism, etc.

Oh. Wait. You ARE talking about the USA (I think) and not the board.

Umm. Wait. WTF? You went from Joo's statement that this is a radical board to proving it via US jingoist hoopla?

What you just offered isn't quite so extreme, but it logically works like this:

Some on this board are gay.

You may think that the US is gay, but we are not gay.

In other words, whether you and Joo find the board "radical" is completely beside the point.

This isn't the Buttrash, Nebraska forum. Rather, it's a forum for the world. The fact that the Gitmo Waterboard team feels suffocated by the international nature of the board doesn't make me feel like there's a problem with the board being too radical.

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Rather, there is no grass-roots support for such radicalism in the United States. There never has been. Not for the radical left; not for the radical right. Note Ron Paul never shows higher than nine percent or so.

Now you're equating being a radical with being a socialist...In the United States...weren't you arguing that this is a radical forum?

HELLO. IT'S INTERNATIONAL.

And it's a gross generalization to say that there is no support for socialism (which is only radicalization by your own opinion).

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Take FDR and the New Deal. At one point he attempted to pack the Supreme Court to get his non-emergency New Deal social reforms off the ground. A bipartisan conservative coalition in Congress (Southern Democrats and national Republicans) blocked him and backed the Court as it was. Later FDR attempted to purge these conservative Southern Democrats and remake the Democratic Party into a purely progressive, reformist party. Failed. Then the war came and all of it fell into the background (for the time being; Truman, JFK, and esp. LBJ picked it up again and made additional gains in civil rights, etc.)

Now you have some burp about FDR. To prove what? That there's no support for socialism? Were you proving that this board is radical or that you don't think America is?

Is this evidence of either?

Or is it, very typical of you, trying to lord your knowledge over others. FDR packing the courts has been introduced before, so you're not rolling out something new.

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In any case, why did FDR fail here? The answer is obvious: where was the radical grass-roots support in the electorate that should have backed him by electing his kind of Democrats to Congress? He intervened in state and local elections and asked the American people, who largely supported him, to do just that. Why did they decline to follow him here...?

Your post began with "Joo thinks this is a radical board."

You publicly came on this board in support of re-electing a GOP congress. When you entered this board, you were a democrat. When asked about poliics, you most often reference Michael Moore. You "won" in 2006 because Moore wasn't elected. He didn't run

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America is not a radical place, then, Michael Moore and co. notwithstanding. And why do you think Michael Moore and co. get so frustrated and worked up, calling Americans "the stupidest people on the planet?

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America is the most conservative Western country there is.

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"Are we losing the battle?" Maybe you have been living in a dreamworld of radical potentialities and are just now waking up to reality...?

Battle away, dude. But understand this. You speak for yourself, not America, not the eslcafe.

You represent yourself. You don't represent America. And you don't represent the eslcafe.

You've previously presented yourself as a liberal cleaning up the left. The right was too stupid for you. Now you're right.

And don't forget, the most socialist system in the US is the government itself. You're a product of socialism, Mr Marine. Wink

You didn't want to post this. It was your rough draft. Cool

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: ...

Quote:

Why not just use the quote function, like this...?

Could do, but doesn't really matter. When you tell me to kiss your ass, I don't want it to disappear and stir your blood pressure with ideas of mod conspiracies.

Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Relax, Nowhere Man. And review the OP. This thread treats American politics under pretext of pedantry with respect to a typo. And I responded accordingly. Keep up with this prosecutorial thing you have for me, though. As I have said before: it is flattering. Yes, I know. Come back for your snide last word and let us be done with this all-too-typical exchange...

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject:

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Relax, Nowhere Man. And review the OP. This thread treats American politics under pretext of pedantry with respect to a typo. And I responded accordingly.

Yes, you, um...pedantry? Respect to a typo? Yeah. OK. You responded with a typo and pedantry?

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Keep up with this prosecutorial thing you have for me, though. As I have said before: it is flattering.

Yes. You will stand up!

Cuz that's so bad ass...

You know, George Clooney is the most torturest dude in Hollywood.

All his movies=all bout torture

Brad pittt too

I want him in my avatar

..............................

George clooney and brad pitt are in your avatar,

Why, you *beep*?

Yes, I know. Come back for your snide last word and let us be done with this all-too-typical exchange..

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject: ...

Why are are Clooney and pitt in your avatar, torture monkey?

Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: ...

You don't believe what they believe, so why do you choose them to represent you?

mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:42 am Post subject:

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that there's a whole Apostrophe Protection Society. http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/examples_1.htm

Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee

Joined: 25 May 2003

Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject:

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o begin with, though: I must agree with him (and Joo). This is a radical board...based on the US population.

I will begin my critique here. This is Dave's eslcafe. It's not Dave's usacafe. That could be the end of GOPher's post right there.

GOPh, you chose to post on the eslcafe, not the usacafe, so cease and desist labeling this board by conservative, USA standards. .

Ok your point is fair enough except one thing was left out and that there is an inherent bias against the US world wide because the US is a very successful and powerful nation .

The US doesn't get a fair hearing at the UN and neither does it get one on this board.