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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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OK. Fine.
Yank
Pommy
Limey
*beep*
Aussie
Brit
Kiwi
Buckeye
Hawkeye
Sooner
Hoosier
Canuck
ABC
Gyopo
Farang
Wae-Gook
Now bear with me. Some of these names are based on something.
Perhaps most offensive of the list is Pom, which is supposedly based on prisoners having "Prisoner of her Majesty" stamped in shirts while being shipped there. I don't know any "Aussies" who find this offensive. If they do, it should be on the first list.
Once upon a time, there was an American movie called "Yanks".
To date, there hasn't been a movie called "N!ggers".
If you have to ask me why, then stop here, go hang with Wango, and wonder why Jap isn't acceptable. |
You forgot Husker.
Ohhhhhh....so now we're using movies to determine if something is offensive or not? What about "Little Black Sambo?" Now its ok to call someone Sambo because there was a movie with the word in its title?
http://www.art-posters.net/bc368.htm
You and people like you JUST DON'T GET IT. An individual chooses to be offended by name-calling. I couldn't care less if someone calls me a Kraut (my ancestry is virtually all German), or Yank, or Farang (my wife is Thai, she still refers to me as this) or Gringo or whatever. There are black guys that I call "nigger" and they don't care...and they call me cracker (or other "racist" names) and I don't care.
Racism isn't constituted by name-calling but by actions. Would I burn a cross in my friends' front yards? Never. Would I insist that they sit at the back of the bus, drink from separate fountains or not eat in the same restaurant? Never.
I personally think its hippy (just a name, relax) white-boys like you that get all bent out of shape about names.
Personally, I love sauerkraut...with brats of course.
Just the very fact that n*gger is caught by the filter but Kraut is not is a lesson that ALL of this is highly subjective. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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oh God not again.
-a racial slur is only as effective as the people it is used against are disrespected. There are few slurs to WASPS because through most of history they could have you beaten, killed or exiled for using them. Underground lanauge disapears. In other words how often do you use the word Slav to refer to someone? It means slave. An entire ethnic group and language family as refered to as slaves. You know why they don't care? Because it dates from 1100-900 years ago.
-the reasons nigger is so offensive is it has been used to descripe a most picked upon people in america. the race relations have always been one handed. Who can be proud of being black? The race of crack dealers and unwed mothers? nobody. That is why an ethnic slur against black people is more offensive. The term jap was used as a term of abuse in SoCal before the internment camps. obviously a Japanese person would NOT like to think you share the same opinion of him theat FDR did.
-Yank isn't a slur. Because a Yank is not inferior to someone else. An American WHite person is not looked 'down' on by any society that he fears or resents.
-to the OP please call the next South African Black Dude you meet a khafar. I can't wait to see your nose. After all its only a word. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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That's not actually the origin of the word Slav (more here). But your overall point is well put and well founded.
By the way, I think you meant to address that to wannago, not to the OP. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
oh God not again.
-a racial slur is only as effective as the people it is used against are disrespected. There are few slurs to WASPS because through most of history they could have you beaten, killed or exiled for using them. Underground lanauge disapears. In other words how often do you use the word Slav to refer to someone? It means slave. An entire ethnic group and language family as refered to as slaves. You know why they don't care? Because it dates from 1100-900 years ago.
-the reasons *beep* is so offensive is it has been used to descripe a most picked upon people in america. the race relations have always been one handed. Who can be proud of being black? The race of crack dealers and unwed mothers? nobody. That is why an ethnic slur against black people is more offensive. The term jap was used as a term of abuse in SoCal before the internment camps. obviously a Japanese person would NOT like to think you share the same opinion of him theat FDR did.
-Yank isn't a slur. Because a Yank is not inferior to someone else. An American WHite person is not looked 'down' on by any society that he fears or resents.
-to the OP please call the next South African Black Dude you meet a khafar. I can't wait to see your nose. After all its only a word. |
What a TOTAL bunch of crap. AGAIN, for the slow learners, you CHOOSE to be offended or not. A word is just a word. Why would a "Japanese person" believe I hold the same opinion of them that FDR did when I don't treat them as FDR did? The term jap wasn't a "term of abuse". WTF does that mean, anyway? Internment in the camps was the abuse...not the word.
Yank or Yankee was a term the British used during the Revolution to refer to Americans. Ever heard of that little ditty "Yankee Doodle"? I have ancestors that fought and died in the American Revolution. Why can't I be offended at the term Yank, again?
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| -the reasons *beep* is so offensive is it has been used to descripe a most picked upon people in america. the race relations have always been one handed. Who can be proud of being black? The race of crack dealers and unwed mothers? nobody. That is why an ethnic slur against black people is more offensive. |
If words can truly be offensive as you assert, then what you say here far more offends than any one word of n!gger. Race of crack dealers and unwed mothers? And you don't even approach an explanation as to why an "ethnic slur" against black people is more offensive than to someone else.
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| -to the OP please call the next South African Black Dude you meet a khafar. I can't wait to see your nose. After all its only a word. |
I think him popping me in the nose would be more racist than anything I could call him. But, if he were prone to choosing to be offended by words, I would also think that you calling him "Dude" would make him go all racist on you too. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:20 am Post subject: |
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Aha! So, you were a hippy at college? I beg you to regale us with your hippy college stories.
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I will admit this much: I'm from a time when Kool-Aid carried different connotations than the People's Temple gave it. And this: Cyrilla said Eric Burdon wasn't all that special in bed.
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| you CHOOSE to be offended or not. A word is just a word. |
Ah, so you CHOSE to be offended when I said you are dense. Maybe you should look into why you chose to be offended by that word. After all, it's just a word from an anonymous poster on a message board. And yet you were offended. And then came back and demonstrated it a second time.
There's a 6-letter word that starts with 's' that I could have used, but you wouldn't like it any better. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Aha! So, you were a hippy at college? I beg you to regale us with your hippy college stories.
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I will admit this much: I'm from a time when Kool-Aid carried different connotations than the People's Temple gave it. And this: Cyrilla said Eric Burdon wasn't all that special in bed.
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| you CHOOSE to be offended or not. A word is just a word. |
Ah, so you CHOSE to be offended when I said you are dense. Maybe you should look into why you chose to be offended by that word. After all, it's just a word from an anonymous poster on a message board. And yet you were offended. And then came back and demonstrated it a second time.
There's a 6-letter word that starts with 's' that I could have used, but you wouldn't like it any better. |
For the record, I wasn't offended. Do you honestly believe that being called dense is that offensive? I've been called worse by better. Even if I was, so what? Yes, if it offended me, I CHOSE to be offended. I'm not demanding that you refrain from calling me dense. However, if you place your PC jackboot on my throat and call me dense, then I would seriously have to be offended. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| For the record, I wasn't offended. |
Yes, if you say that loud enough and often enough, maybe people will believe you.
BTW, Yankee is what Yankees called themselves. It does have a pejorative meaning to some Southerners and some foreigners, but not to most Americans. Poor choice of example. (The NY Yankees would agree with me, I'm sure.) |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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And in the old south of the US "Damnyankee" is one word.
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:40 am Post subject: |
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[quote="wannago"][quote="Ya-ta Boy"]
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Aha! So, you were a hippy at college? I beg you to regale us with your hippy college stories.
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I will admit this much: I'm from a time when Kool-Aid carried different connotations than the People's Temple gave it. And this: Cyrilla said Eric Burdon wasn't all that special in bed.
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| you CHOOSE to be offended or not. A word is just a word. |
You're a misanthropic piece of sh!t. |
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Neil
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
Location: Tokyo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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It's really quite simple...the words that are offensive are the ones you wouldn't say to someones face. I'd wager those who say Jap from behind a keyboard would be quickly be holding back the tears if they used that word in a bar and found out a Japanese bloke was in earshot. I have noticed a lot on here have issues with Koreans/Europeans/Muslims/Americans/Canadians ect.... but tend to work and live in countries full of the groups they dislike....they must keep their lips buttoned whenever they shut the computer off I guess.
On topic with NK on the brink of collaspe and the PRC now a huge trading partner I can't see why such vast numbers of troops are needed in NE Asia....sure some for presence and training are needed I guess but 50000 in Japan seems like overkill to me... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| jkelly80 wrote: |
| I will admit this much: I'm from a time when Kool-Aid carried different connotations than the People's Temple gave it. |
For the record: The People's Temple folk didn't use Kool-Aid for the poisoning. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: |
It's really quite simple...the words that are offensive are the ones you wouldn't say to someones face. I'd wager those who say Jap from behind a keyboard would be quickly be holding back the tears if they used that word in a bar and found out a Japanese bloke was in earshot. I have noticed a lot on here have issues with Koreans/Europeans/Muslims/Americans/Canadians ect.... but tend to work and live in countries full of the groups they dislike....they must keep their lips buttoned whenever they shut the computer off I guess.
On topic with NK on the brink of collaspe and the PRC now a huge trading partner I can't see why such vast numbers of troops are needed in NE Asia....sure some for presence and training are needed I guess but 50000 in Japan seems like overkill to me... |
To quote Pete Townsend..."the Red Chins in their millions will overspill their borders". I think regardless of how well things are going with China right now, there's still a lot of concern about Taiwan's fate. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| you CHOOSE to be offended or not. A word is just a word. |
You're a misanthropic piece of *beep*. |
OH! I am SO offended! I demand that you cease using those words to define me. You are so bigoted against...ummmm....my people and me.
Is that how it works? You now, under the PC rulebook, have to quit using those words when referring to me? The power is SO addicting!
Maybe I should take my case to the Anti-Defamation League.  |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Neil wrote: |
| It's really quite simple...the words that are offensive are the ones you wouldn't say to someones face. I'd wager those who say Jap from behind a keyboard would be quickly be holding back the tears if they used that word in a bar and found out a Japanese bloke was in earshot. I have noticed a lot on here have issues with Koreans/Europeans/Muslims/Americans/Canadians ect.... but tend to work and live in countries full of the groups they dislike....they must keep their lips buttoned whenever they shut the computer off I guess. |
No, I don't have issues with anyone really (maybe an arrogant European or Canadian at times) but I know that words only cause offense because someone told us we should be offended by certain words. Then, the truly racist actions are ignored. There are people who are being murdered for their ethnicity and we worry about calling someone a "jap". Maybe we should concentrate on the REAL racist acts the Japanese perpetrated on the Chinese during WW2 instead of silly name-calling cry-babies. |
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jkelly80
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| Neil wrote: |
| It's really quite simple...the words that are offensive are the ones you wouldn't say to someones face. I'd wager those who say Jap from behind a keyboard would be quickly be holding back the tears if they used that word in a bar and found out a Japanese bloke was in earshot. I have noticed a lot on here have issues with Koreans/Europeans/Muslims/Americans/Canadians ect.... but tend to work and live in countries full of the groups they dislike....they must keep their lips buttoned whenever they shut the computer off I guess. |
No, I don't have issues with anyone really (maybe an arrogant European or Canadian at times) but I know that words only cause offense because someone told us we should be offended by certain words. Then, the truly racist actions are ignored. There are people who are being murdered for their ethnicity and we worry about calling someone a "jap". Maybe we should concentrate on the REAL racist acts the Japanese perpetrated on the Chinese during WW2 instead of silly name-calling cry-babies. |
Yes let's all focus real hard on something that already happened. That will change...what, exactly? Racist speech? Not a big deal, you see, because of the Great Leap Forward and the Rape of Nanjing. Because people kill other people in large numbers, racist speech is not worth "focusing" on. Brilliant. We need to focus on these events until we travel back in time like JCVD and stop them from happening. |
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