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| thepeel wrote: |
Sure. My suggestion was that muslims can't be at peace until everybody is either converted to islam or under dhimnitue.
Quran 9:29 – “Fight against such of those who have been given the scripture (Christians) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by his messenger, and follow not the religion of Truth (Islam) until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low (admitting readily as low-down to Islam).”
In case it is an interpretation issue:
009.029
YUSUFALI: Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
PICKTHAL: Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.
SHAKIR: Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029
Here are some other nuggets of tolerance (a mere 60 of hundreds and hundreds):
1. Don't bother to warn the disbelievers. Allah has blinded them. Theirs will be an awful doom. 2:6
2. Allah has sickened their hearts. A painful doom is theirs because they lie. 2:10
3. Allah has blinded the disbelievers. 2:17-18
4. A fire has been prepared for the disbelievers, whose fuel is men and stones. 2:24
5. Disbelievers will be burned with fire. 2:39, 2:90
6. Allah stamped wretchedness upon the Jews because they killed the prophets and disbelieved Allah's revelations. 2:61
7. Only those Jews and Christians who convert to Islam will be rewarded with heaven. 2:62
8. Allah turned the Sabbath-breaking Jews into apes. 2:65-66
9. If you believe in only part of the Scripture, you will suffer in this life and go to hell in the next. 2:85
10. Allah has cursed them for their unbelief. 2:88
11. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers. 2:89
12. Jews are the greediest of all humankind. They'd like to live 1000 years. But they are going to hell. 2:96
13. Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98
14. Only evil people are disbelievers. 2:99
15. For disbelievers is a painful doom. 2:104
16. For unbelievers: ignominy in this world, an awful doom in the next. 2:114
17. "And thou wilt not be asked about the owners of hell-fire." (They are the non-muslims.) 2:119
18. Disbelievers are losers. 2:121
19. Allah will leave the disbelievers alone for a while, but then he will compel them to the doom of Fire. 2:126
20. "Who forsaketh the religion of Abraham save him who befooleth himself?"
Cited in the Hamas Charter (Article 27) to condemn the idea of a secular state. 2:130
21. Those who reject the proofs, are accursed of Allah. 2:159
22. Those who die disbelievers, are cursed by Allah, angels, and men. 2:161
23. The doom of the disbelievers will not be lightened. 2:162
24. They will not emerge from the Fire. 2:167
25. Disbelievers will be deaf, dumb, and blind. 2:171
26. Those who hide the Scripture will have their bellies eaten with fire. Theirs will be a painful doom. 2:174
27. How constant are they in their strife to reach the Fire! 2:175
28. Believers must retaliate. Those who transgress will have a painful doom. 2:178
29. Kill disbelievers wherever you find them. If they attack you, then kil them. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (But if they desist in their unbelief, then don't kill them.) 2:191-2
30. Fight them until "religion is for Allah." 2:193
31. Those who fail in their duty to Allah are proud and sinful. They will all go to hell. 2:206
32. War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216
33. Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
34. Intermarriage is forbidden. 2:221
35. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers. 2:254
36. Disbelievers worship false gods. The will burn forever in the Fire. 2:257
37. Allah does not guide disbelievers. 2:264
38. "Give us victory over the disbelieving folk." 2:286
39. Those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. 3:4
40. Those who disbelieve will be fuel for the Fire. 3:10
41. Those who disbelieve shall be overcome and gathered unto Hell. 3:12
42. Non-muslims will be punished by Allah for their nonbelief. 3:19
43. Those who disbelieve, promise them a painful doom. 3:21
44. "They [Christians and Jews] say: The Fire will not touch us save for a certain number of days. That which they used to invent hath deceived them regarding their religion." (The Fire will burn them forever.) 3:24
45. Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. 3:28
46. Allah loveth not the disbelievers. 3:32
47. Allah will punish disbelievers in this world and the next. They will have no helpers. 3:56
48. Don't believe anyone who is not a Muslim. 3:73
49. Theirs will be a painful doom. 3:77
50. All non-Muslims will be rejected by Allah after they die. 3:85
51. Disbelievers will be cursed by Allah, angels, and men. They will have a painful doom. 3:87-88
52. Disbelievers will have a painful doom. And they will have no helpers. 3:91
53. Disbelievers will have their faces blackened on the last day. They will face an awful doom. 3:105-6
54. Those who disbelieve will be burnt in the Fire. 3:116
55. Don't be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you. 3:118
56. The Fire is prepared for disbelievers. 3:131
57. Give us victory over the disbelieving folk. 3:147
58. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Their habitation is the Fire 3:151
59. "Is one who followeth the pleasure of Allah as one who hath earned condemnation from Allah, whose habitation is the Fire?"
Unbelievers will burn forever in the Fire. 3:162
60. Theirs will be an awful doom. 3:176
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| thepeel wrote: |
| If the "which texts" question is what you mean, then, the koran and various hadiths. |
Well you're the one who mentioned the Muslim texts and I was hoping you'd be able to tell me which ones you were refering too and not merely the Koran in general. If you can't, then that's fine by me. |
"Not merely the Kuran"?
What do you mean by that exactly? One man's old hat is another's stunning revelation and here's one of the latter for you: The Kuran is the central religious text of Islam and Muslims hold that it's the book of divine guidance and direction for mankind. Muslims ritually wash before reading it because of its veneration, even though there�s a lot of evidence it has been tampered with. Muslims believe that the Kuran is a direct utterance of God, so, because God is infallible, the Kuran is infallible also.
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