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Discussion: Korean Economy Crash - Bye Bye Key Money??
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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Discussion: Korean Economy Crash - Bye Bye Key Money?? Reply with quote

This is a fun chat. Let's not take out hogwon aggression here, okay?

Hypothetical: The Korean economy crashes. The banks freeze all accounts, only after the corporate sector (and land owners) has withdrawn their funds. All your savings and pay check are frozen, and possibly lost, in your savings account. This actually happened in Argentina. Coincidentally, your contract has ended anyways and English teachers are returning home due to the crisis (your embassy recommends its citizens leave Korea).

Would you lose your 10 million won key/deposit money by government sanctioned action or home/apt. owner action - simply refusing to give your key money back? Would the rules of contract survive? **Home/apt. owners were able to withdrawn their funds before the government freeze.

**This requires a YES or NO answer, followed by your reasoning, explanations or "hogwon aggression" fueled, venting based rants.

**Failure to answer YES or NO will result in a default I DON'T KNOW answer.

**Aggressive fueled answers will result in a default I WORK AT A HOGWON TEACHING CHILDREN profiling.



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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: yes/no Reply with quote

I'll answer my own poll and explain myself after I get some user input.
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itaewonguy



Joined: 25 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NO!
it happened alreay 1997 and all was fine!
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your question is 'would people give their key money back'? It wouldn't be your choice. The school would go behind your back and just get it themselves by making an old dude named kim (that the landlord can't possibly say "no" to call and demand it.

"Rules of contract" only matter if you are 1) korean 2) old 3) a man and the rules benefit an old korean man. Otherwise the rules of contract are whatever an old korean man wants.
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mistermasan



Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no key money involved.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The banks freeze all accounts

No. Right in that first sentence your theory breaks down. Private property owners didn't have their accounts frozen during IMF.
Private key moneys are privately owned, you should register yours when you pay it - with the local dong office. This way you stand in line for the return of your money while someone is going bankrupt, and if the bank forecloses you have some options as well.
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thepeel



Joined: 08 Aug 2004

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
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The banks freeze all accounts

No. Right in that first sentence your theory breaks down. Private property owners didn't have their accounts frozen during IMF.


During IMF? You mean, during the Asian Financial Crisis. The IMF was brought in after KDJ noticed that all the foreign reserves (that were supposed to be defending the currency) had been "lent" (given) to the chaebol in backroom (hooker bar) deals with corrupt government officials.

Calling it IMF is just a way for Koreans to let themselves off the hook and keep up the facade of permanent victim.
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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: wow Reply with quote

wow, I stated pretty clearly that it is a hypothetical situation and I laid out the criteria. It somewhat resembles what happened in Argentina, although I'm unsure if Argentinian land owners were able to collect their savings.

The posts are comparing to the IMF crisis in Korea. I never mentioned the IMF crisis. I'm posing a hypothetical scenario.

Also, this has nothing to do if someone is Korean. I said YOU.
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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: wow Reply with quote

first off, I didn't pose a theory. I gave a hypothetical situation. I didn't bring up the IMF crisis in Korean because it wasn't brutal enough to freeze private accounts. Also, it would be impossible to freeze private accounts in korea because several million koreans would storm the blue house - and the korean government knows it. I gave one example - Argentina.

Let's stick with the hypothetical scenario.
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4 months left



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't get the key money back then you get the apt.
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's key money?
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4 months left



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deposit money you have to pay before moving into an apt. Loosely translated to "jeonse.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Calling it IMF is just a way for Koreans to let themselves off the hook and keep up the facade of permanent victim.

Yeah, no kidding. But, for those that lived through it it becomes a complete frame of reference - a precedent. If you want to talk about a scenario of Argentina, that occured just after a war with Britain, then that is far removed from here.
Maybe Latin America is more your forte?

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If you don't get the key money back then you get the apt.

No, you pay the bank off first.

Seems like you guys need a lesson in layman economics...


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inukshuk



Joined: 27 Jan 2008
Location: korea

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMF brought down Argentina. Check out Naomi Klein's THE TAKE documentary.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different place, different situation.
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