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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| As for the Old Testament verses, they were right for their time and were speaking to very specific circumstances of that time. |
Please explain the specific circumstances that would justify rape, slavery and the tearing apart of children for calling someone bald, bearing in mind that God sanctioned these actions and indeed carried most of them out Himself. |
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GreenlightmeansGO
Joined: 11 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Just a random thought that I found quite amusing:
'...he is without sin...'
Wouldn't that be Jesus or God, according to Christian belief? So, was Jesus covertly saying he wanting to be the first one to lob a projectile? Selfish guy, he was. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Well actually Jesus died for our sins. So after his death stone throwing should have been back on the agenda. I also think it's only fair if everyone throws their stones at the same time. |
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SuperHero
Joined: 10 Dec 2003
Location: Superhero Hideout
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
I agree with bluelake. |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not a practicing Christian (very undecided about religion--I don't think I quite buy into the Jesus thing and I definitely don't appreciate the God in the Bible) but I was raised Catholic. I don't bear any hatred towards Christians, just annoyance if they try to "bring me back to the faith." But it's the same for atheists--don't hate them, but it sure is annoying if they're constantly preaching about how Christians are stupid and there is no God. For people that want to go against Christians, many sure do act exactly the same. Preach, preach, preach. |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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| SuperHero wrote: |
| bluelake wrote: |
| IncognitoHFX wrote: |
Christians are idiots. They annoy me so bad I simply can't stop venting about it. If I meet a person and then they tell me that they're a practicing Christian, my respect-o-meter crashes through the floor.
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I feel the same way about Evangelical Atheists... |
I agree with bluelake. |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXJRxsnwQww
Listen to that and explain how Evangelical Christians are forgivable...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1mTNqdFO8
and do atheists act like that? |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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"DARK SIDED!"
What the hell was that from? |
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seoulunitarian
Joined: 06 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: re: |
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| bluelake wrote: |
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| If someone was a true Christian, Buddhist, etc., they would not murder. As such, no matter what he may have called himself, the murderer of an abortion doctor was no Christian. The murderers mentioned before could do what they did because they had no moral foundation. They created their own ideologies to justify their immorality and amorality. |
And who's deciding who true Christians, Buddhists etc. are?
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Admittedly, God's counsel to parents is straightforward:
whenever children get out of line, we should beat them with a rod (Proverbs 13:24,20:30, and 23:13-14). If they are shameless enough to talk back to us, we should kill them (Exodus 21:15, Leviticus 20:9, Deuteronomy 21:18-21, Mark 7:9-13, and Matthew 15:4-7). We must also stone people to death for heresy, adultery, homosexuality, working on the Sabbath, worshipping graven images, practicing sorcery, and a wide variety of other imaginary crimes. Here is just one example of God's timeless wisdom:
If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods,"... you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him; but you shall kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.... If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God gives you to dwell there, that certain base fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of the city, saying, "Let us go and serve other gods" which you have not known, then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently; and behold, if it be true and certain that such an abominable thing has been done among you, you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, destroying it utterly, all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
----DEUTERONOMY 13:6, 8-15 |
A true Christian, who would follow the Bible - right? - would kill in the name of God. Disagree with the Bible will you? Heretic.
YOU CAN'T PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT FROM THE BIBLE. That's not how it works. It's either right, or it isn't. |
To begin with (speaking of picking and choosing), you picked out of context the parts from the New Testament. Jesus was not telling parents to kill their children; he was showing the Pharisees their hypocrisy. As for the Old Testament verses, they were right for their time and were speaking to very specific circumstances of that time. As far as Christians go, remember what Jesus said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." That nullified all of the OT verses you referenced. |
I love it when Christians say "The OT was right for its time" then decry postmodern relativism. Nothing is more relativistic than modern Christianity.
Peace |
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philipjames
Joined: 03 Feb 2003
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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A few of the very nicest teachers I've met in Korea were practicing Christians and a few of the worst, most obnoxious waegooks have been as well. I don't know if it pushes people to extremes or attracts extremes. Three of the very most embarrassing Canadians I've met here have been.
In any event it shouldn't be necessary bashing people who make such asses of themselves all by themselves. |
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blurgalurgalurga
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
"DARK SIDED!"
What the hell was that from? |
Wow, that was heavy.
But really, using some bloated hideous mutant with obvious mental health issues to exemplify What's Wrong With Christians is kind of disingenuous. It's the same thing that some people do by saying "Mao was an atheist; Mao choreographed the deaths of 20-40 million people; therefore atheists kill millions of people."
My granny is a Christian. It gives her comfort. She isn't crazy or stupid or preachy. I'm not going to rip on her for her believing in the whole schtick, and she doesn't hammer away at me for being a hellbound atheist. We both know that neither one of us is coming around to the other's point of view, so why bother arguing about it? That would be, well, a bit of a whank, wouldn't it? |
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IncognitoHFX
Joined: 06 May 2007
Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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| Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| blurgalurgalurga wrote: |
My granny is a Christian. It gives her comfort. She isn't crazy or stupid or preachy. I'm not going to rip on her for her believing in the whole schtick, and she doesn't hammer away at me for being a hellbound atheist. We both know that neither one of us is coming around to the other's point of view, so why bother arguing about it? That would be, well, a bit of a whank, wouldn't it? |
Yes, I don't care about the Christians like your grandmother. My grandmother is a devoted Baptist, but she never talks down to anyone about it or preaches in any capacity. It gives her comfort, and I'm fine with it- I even talk to her about the problems in her church (lack of money, a lousy choir singer, et cetera) without thinking about the negative aspects that I'm uncomfortable with.
Young people have no excuse, however. If a person my age is just getting into Christianity for the first time and speaking in tongues, then I'd have to put them in their place. In the 21st Century people our age should really know better. There is no excuse for it anymore. We should let it die off with the previous generations. |
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