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GRK



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 6:35 pm    Post subject: Wages Reply with quote

In the present situation, what is a reasonable (average)wage to ask for in a Hogwon/University, for a qualified and experienced teacher. Has anyone been able to negotiate better deals than for the past year? Thanks.
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mokpochica



Joined: 21 Jan 2003
Location: Ann Arbor, MI

PostPosted: Sun Mar 02, 2003 8:48 pm    Post subject: wage Reply with quote

Hagwons seem to pay from 1.8-2.0 million. Universities seem to pay from 2.0 million to 2.4 million. If you have experience and a TEFL certificate of some kind, you will probably be on the high end of the wage scale.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 4:42 am    Post subject: No Reply with quote

I think Hagwons are more like 1.8 to 2.3 or so these days, in most cases.

I got 2.2 in my first year this year, although I think it might be tough to get that in my next situation because I want to teach adults.
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GRK



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:06 pm    Post subject: wages Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses. I gather wages for adults and kids differ.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:35 pm    Post subject: Yes Reply with quote

I think most first-year teaching of adults brings about 1.7 to 2.0 on average. I don't know why, but I assume more people coming here want to teach adults than children.

If you are someone interested more in socializing than making money, then adults is the only way to go. I've had a more difficult time making friends because teaching the kids at the ages I've been teaching (8 to 13) has made socializing difficult. That is, because I work evenings from 4 to 10pm.

Just an opinion.
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IconsFanatic



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Yes Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
I think most first-year teaching of adults brings about 1.7 to 2.0 on average. I don't know why, but I assume more people coming here want to teach adults than children.


I haven't seen 1.7 posted in a long while! I reckon 1.8 is becoming the "minimum wage" and yet the most common wage all at the same time.

Derrek wrote:
If you are someone interested more in socializing than making money, then adults is the only way to go. I've had a more difficult time making friends because teaching the kids at the ages I've been teaching (8 to 13) has made socializing difficult. That is, because I work evenings from 4 to 10pm.


Hmmm, good point. What do you reckon is the average beddy-by time for the average Korean?
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:30 pm    Post subject: Umm... let's see... Reply with quote

Icons, you really are searching to redeem yourself for my other responses to your posts in other subjects, aren't you?

As far as wages, does the word "average" mean anything to you? I've seen them as low as 1.3 for working at a "Christian" school. The post is up there right now, actually. My figures are dead on.

Also, during the week, if you leave work at 10pm and take the subway to hang out with friends, you'll end up having to take a taxi back home if you plan to stay any length of time. That gets a little expensive, eh (sorry for the Canadian "eh" there)? Not all of us live right by a University or by our friends. Many of my friends live near Kangnam and Hongdae -- nowhere near me.

I don't like paying 10,000 to 20,000 won for a cab ride every evening.
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IconsFanatic



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Umm... let's see... Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Icons, you really are searching to redeem yourself for my other responses to your posts in other subjects, aren't you?


Laughing

I see my "Yank" post really hurt your feelings, Derrek. May I suggest one of the English-speaking therapists there in Korea? Or maybe another nudie idol avatar would soothe your nerves.

Anything less than 1.8 is few and far between, you and I both know that. Sure, there are some out there, but only for suckers.

Derrek wrote:
That gets a little expensive, eh (sorry for the Canadian "eh" there)?


"Eh" isn't uniquely Canadian. It's standard English. Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, South Africans all use it.

YOU'RE the aberration, eh!
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the way I look at it.

1.8 is low, but if you are working only 12-15 hours a week for a University, it is pretty good. Many do pay that much.

2.0 is more the mid level, but still nothing to shake a stick at.

2.2 or above you have a better than average wage.

I know some schools pay much more in the high 2s which I think is great and wish I had that much a month.

Don't work for below 1.8 unless they are giving you extra money for housing or something. Such as 1.6 but you get 300,000 in housing money a month if you don't take their housing. And if you don't like to drink foreign beers or other such drinks, you should be able to save a lot.


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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Umm... let's see... Reply with quote

IconsFanatic wrote:
Derrek wrote:
Icons, you really are searching to redeem yourself for my other responses to your posts in other subjects, aren't you?


Laughing

I see my "Yank" post really hurt your feelings, Derrek. May I suggest one of the English-speaking therapists there in Korea? Or maybe another nudie idol avatar would soothe your nerves.

Anything less than 1.8 is few and far between, you and I both know that. Sure, there are some out there, but only for suckers.

Derrek wrote:
That gets a little expensive, eh (sorry for the Canadian "eh" there)?


"Eh" isn't uniquely Canadian. It's standard English. Brits, Ozzies, Kiwis, South Africans all use it.

YOU'RE the aberration, eh!


Hurt me? Laughing

If you were in my Let's Go Starter class, I'd have you hold your arms up in the air for 5 or 10 minutes for being so childish.
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IconsFanatic



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2003 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Shhhh..... I think he's coming on to me!)
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All depends on the contact hours. 2.2...low, if you ask me, for 18-20 hours!

Here's my salary history:

1999: First university job. 15 hour/3 days a week sched. 2.5 plus housing (32 pyung for the better half and I..very old...not very pretty). Had MA in hand and had paid my dues at hakwons for a couple of years.

2003: Second job. 16 hours/4 day sched-eventually taylored down to 3 days. 2.5 plus housing (28 pyung...slotted for demolition). Had MA in hand and Ph.D. coursework done.

Now: Third job. 10 hour/2 days a week sched. 3.6 million/no housing. Done with university housing. Has always been old and has always sucked. Ph.D in hand.

Next job: At least 4 million for 9 contact hours. Will proabably have to leave the Eng. Dept. to get it. So long...we'll miss ya...sniff.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Umm... let's see... Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Icons, you really are searching to redeem yourself for my other responses to your posts in other subjects, aren't you?

As far as wages, does the word "average" mean anything to you? I've seen them as low as 1.3 for working at a "Christian" school. The post is up there right now, actually. My figures are dead on.


If you think about it, you could make a fortune by setting up a 'Christian' hogwan and bringing gullible American Christian fundamentalists over on E2 visas to work there, leading them to believe they're doing a kind of missionary work and paying them a living expenses stipend of something like 0.5.
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