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Changing to the all-classes-in-English format
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Omkara



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:35 pm    Post subject: Changing to the all-classes-in-English format Reply with quote

This major move being made by the gov't to teach all classes in english, is there some model they're basing this on? That is, has some other country done this with success? Or is it entirely novel?
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is pretty novel.

Private Schools have done it on individual level, but certainly not on a national scale.

Most countries are convinced that their people should at least speak the native tongue, that in itself is already difficult enough to do ....

For some strange reason Koreans have absolutely no clue on how to run a proper Language Acquisition program, and every government throws wild ideas around that simply won't work.

The only way it would work is by continued efforts starting from the age of 10 or so till they graduate from school. Year in year out, 4 hours per week per language. How difficult is that to arrange imho.

You don't need Native speakers to teach a language, what you need are capable teachers, proven capable teachers.

It takes decades to get an acceptable amount. Governments should really start working on the sources of good education, being the teachers. Instead of coming up with yet another great idea.


The effectiveness of any project lies in the EXECUTION of the project.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thailand did it for their English Programs.
Small private schools inside government schools

Worked well.,
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Yesterday



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
Thailand did it for their English Programs.
Small private schools inside government schools

Worked well.,


Korea has already had that for the LAST 5 YEARS...

I don't know of any Public schools that do NOT have a small private (company) school inside the public school....
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jeffkim1972



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Singapore.
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hari seldon



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Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:18 am    Post subject: Re: Changing to the all-classes-in-English format Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
This major move being made by the gov't to teach all classes in english, is there some model they're basing this on? That is, has some other country done this with success? Or is it entirely novel?

It isn't novel. Korea is following the example of Germany and Scandinavia. That's how they've taught English for many years with great success.
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TheChickenLover



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The reality of these 'Classes' will be very similar in effect as the picture below

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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
mrsquirrel wrote:
Thailand did it for their English Programs.
Small private schools inside government schools

Worked well.,


Korea has already had that for the LAST 5 YEARS...

I don't know of any Public schools that do NOT have a small private (company) school inside the public school....


Mine.

I know that the local elementary school runs an after school program but that's not the same as having a separate teer of students learning everything bar Korean in English.

So you know schools where they have a separate class or classes of students which learn 99% of their subjects in English? Why is the government bringing in new regulations then if it's already in place.
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ms.catbc



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is French immersion in Canada. Parents can choose to put there kids in the immersion program. Of course, Canada is supposed to be two nations living inside one and French is one of our official languages. That is the big difference.

I did not take any english in school until first grade and even then it was only one hour every other day or something. English was spoken at home though.

I think it is in Denmark where they start introducing english instruction in the fourth grade or something. Half the day is in Danish and the other half is in english.

There are Jewish day schools that are trilingual as well. Hebrew, English and French.
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms.catbc wrote:
There is French immersion in Canada. Parents can choose to put there kids in the immersion program. Of course, Canada is supposed to be two nations living inside one and French is one of our official languages. That is the big difference.

I did not take any english in school until first grade and even then it was only one hour every other day or something. English was spoken at home though.

I think it is in Denmark where they start introducing english instruction in the fourth grade or something. Half the day is in Danish and the other half is in english.

There are Jewish day schools that are trilingual as well. Hebrew, English and French.

If you are an immigrant coming into (this was back in 1990 may have changed now) Quebec you have to spend 6 months (?) in a French school before being allowed into an English one.
I missed that rule back in 1990 by weeks. Thank fark.
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to Belgium, three native languages French Dutch and German ....

How come a small country can do it? They call it necessity.

It takes decades to build up the qualities required of teachers to be able to instruct children into a language

Start at the source to improve, not just at the end. In the end, FTAs are there to fill up a lack in the beginning, but they should slowly be replaced by Koreans whose abilities are adequate.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
ms.catbc wrote:
There is French immersion in Canada. Parents can choose to put there kids in the immersion program. Of course, Canada is supposed to be two nations living inside one and French is one of our official languages. That is the big difference.

I did not take any english in school until first grade and even then it was only one hour every other day or something. English was spoken at home though.

I think it is in Denmark where they start introducing english instruction in the fourth grade or something. Half the day is in Danish and the other half is in english.

There are Jewish day schools that are trilingual as well. Hebrew, English and French.

If you are an immigrant coming into (this was back in 1990 may have changed now) Quebec you have to spend 6 months (?) in a French school before being allowed into an English one.
I missed that rule back in 1990 by weeks. Thank fark.


But you're Scott's! Shocked Have you ever even been to Canada? Rolling Eyes
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mrsquirrel



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:


But you're Scott's! Shocked Have you ever even been to Canada? Rolling Eyes


you would know that I lived there in the early nineties. if you ever LISTENED .
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard through the grapevine that parents are hopping up and down about English-only classes in Seoul.
They are saying, "How can they understand the teacher if the teacher only speaks English?"

First the teachers, now the parents.
I wonder what the NEXT hurdle will be!


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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Go to Belgium, three native languages French Dutch and German ....

How come a small country can do it? They call it necessity.


And most aren't bilingual. Over half of the Dutch speakers can speak a second language decently (French/English). But only a fifth of the French speakers can speak a second language.
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