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thepeel
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| Czarjorge wrote: |
| What would you suggest is done about the problem of Muslim extremists, peel? |
1) Restrict muslim immigration
2) Electronically monitor every mosque
3) Restrict muslim immigration
4) Intellectually combat, openly and aggressively, islamic ideas
5) Restrict muslim immigration
6) Deport anybody who spits hate at infidels and isn't a citizen with no chance of return
7) Restrict muslim immigration
8 ) All immigrants must sign a contract that they will honor progressive values as is now done in Holland (where they have to watch a video of 2 men kissing)
9) Restrict muslim immigration
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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Restrict muslim immigration
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But this gets back to an issue I raised on another thread, but which I don't think was fully addressed by the anti-Muslim crowd.
Could Europe restrict Muslim immigration without seriously cramping their work force? In other words, are there legions upon legions of non-Muslims just begging to sign up for McJobs in Europe, but prevented from doing so by all the Muslims being allowed in?
Or is it the case that European acceptance of Muslim immigrants has had nothing to do with economic necessity, and is simply an exercise in misguided multicultural humanitarianism? I admit I suspect the answer to this question to be no. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Restrict muslim immigration
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But this gets back to an issue I raised on another thread, but which I don't think was fully addressed by the anti-Muslim crowd.
Could Europe restrict Muslim immigration without seriously cramping their work force? In other words, are there legions upon legions of non-Muslims just begging to sign up for McJobs in Europe, but prevented from doing so by all the Muslims being allowed in?
Or is it the case that European acceptance of Muslim immigrants has had nothing to do with economic necessity, and is simply an exercise in misguided multicultural humanitarianism? I admit I suspect the answer to this question to be no. |
It started as the importing of cheap labour to work in low-end jobs.
There are a couple hundred million Latin Americans, Chinese and non-muslim Indians that would be more than willing to move to Western states and not try and colonize it. The focus doesn't change to them, because it is "racist" to restrict the adherents to an idea.
In the UK, Poles are taking "muslim jobs". Guess what the muslims are doing to protect them? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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[quote="Justin Hale"]The Bible and Torah do indeed suck balls. quote]
It does if you read it for face value.
But once you're able to identify the elements of astrology (the macrocosm) and psychedelic plant/drug symbolism (the microcosm) within it, the Bible and Torah are a pretty fascinating read. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| You can roll a joint using a page of the Bible. |
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endo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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^ Yeah and smoking ink is rad dude! 
No, I'm absolutely serious about what I posted before. But that's a whole nother topic to be discussed at another time. |
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caniff
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| I wasn't trying to rag on you. Your post just reminded me of that fact. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| I went to the University of Iowa. Most fundie Christians seem to consider UofI a hotbed of inequity and sin. The would come up and hand out these little books that were single books of the Bible. They were usually Ecclesiastes or Revelations. God bless those fundies and their love of hate, fire and brimstone. Those little books were a really thin paper, thinner than most Bibles, and the perfect size for a doob. I actually enjoyed seing the ink left on the ashes. Seeing brimstone written on ash is great. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| They were usually Ecclesiastes or Revelations. God bless those fundies and their love of hate, fire and brimstone. |
Which part? There's nothing in Ecclesiastes about hell or salvation.
(there's a passage with the word Sheol but that's not the same as the NT Hell) |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| I believe it was Revelations. |
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mithridates
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| I believe it was Revelations. |
So no Ecclesiastes at all?
I'm not trying to make a point, it's just that Ecclesiastes is the only book that Atheists sometimes like (check the skepticsannotatedbible.com for example) and I'm wondering how they would use it to convert people. |
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Czarjorge
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I don't know what their logic was. Different groups may have handed out different books. We had all kinds. The most regular groups were Baptists and that crazy church from Wichita, KS that got sued for protesting the soldiers funerals.
Isn't Ecclesiastes the one full of laws? Maybe that's why. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't Ecclesiastes the one full of laws? Maybe that's why. |
No, that's Deuteronomy. Ecclesiastes is the one about how life is empty vanity, that you work hard and die leaving your possessions to someone that didn't work for them, that everything's just chasing after wind, that sort of thing.
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mithridates
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, I bet it was Ephesians that they used. |
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Czarjorge
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Could be, I only took the books when I was out of papers. Mostly I argued with those people about why they believed what they believed. A lot of them were very stupid. And no, I don't mean ignorant, I mean stupid. |
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