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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| You can roll a joint using a page of the Bible. |
I'm scandalized that you would both know and then say this. I suppose next you're going to say that you can open up Springsteen's Born to Run album and use it to clean the weed. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Restrict muslim immigration
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But this gets back to an issue I raised on another thread, but which I don't think was fully addressed by the anti-Muslim crowd.
Could Europe restrict Muslim immigration without seriously cramping their work force? In other words, are there legions upon legions of non-Muslims just begging to sign up for McJobs in Europe, but prevented from doing so by all the Muslims being allowed in?
Or is it the case that European acceptance of Muslim immigrants has had nothing to do with economic necessity, and is simply an exercise in misguided multicultural humanitarianism? I admit I suspect the answer to this question to be no. |
It is not about Muslim or non-Muslim, actually. It is not that simple. I think it is problematic if Europe takes too many people who are non-European or Caucasian en masse, especially if they are not highly educated. Now, if they took in lots of people from Argentina, Chile,
some parts of Asia, there would not be serious problems probably...
The majority of Muslims in France of North African background are quite moderate. The US wants to restrict Mexican immigration. Mexicans are Catholics.
The US can only handle so many of that one group. Most Mexians are fine, most Muslims are fine, but too many, as they are different from the majority, can be a problem. You have to consider how those people can be integrated in society? Most Muslims do integrate fine, but it is harder when too many immigrants are from that group to have an incentive to integrate, perhaps....I am against people printing cartoons of Mohammed or painting Jesus as some gay person in order to champion homosexual rights... I don't see the point of the cartoons. What does it contribute to dialogue between people? There is a security problem we cannot ignore coming from a minority of Muslims who are taking advantage of global politics to promote an agenda that hurts normal Muslims and Europeans.
The fanatics are desperate and feel weak and feel terrorism will make them strong.. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Isn't Ecclesiastes the one full of laws? Maybe that's why. |
No, that's Deuteronomy. |
Leviticus as well, I believe. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:03 am Post subject: |
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Restrict muslim immigration
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But this gets back to an issue I raised on another thread, but which I don't think was fully addressed by the anti-Muslim crowd.
Could Europe restrict Muslim immigration without seriously cramping their work force? In other words, are there legions upon legions of non-Muslims just begging to sign up for McJobs in Europe, but prevented from doing so by all the Muslims being allowed in?
Or is it the case that European acceptance of Muslim immigrants has had nothing to do with economic necessity, and is simply an exercise in misguided multicultural humanitarianism? I admit I suspect the answer to this question to be no. |
It started as the importing of cheap labour to work in low-end jobs.
There are a couple hundred million Latin Americans, Chinese and non-muslim Indians that would be more than willing to move to Western states and not try and colonize it. The focus doesn't change to them, because it is "racist" to restrict the adherents to an idea.
In the UK, Poles are taking "muslim jobs". Guess what the muslims are doing to protect them? |
So is it the case that these Latin Americans etc are applying to enter European countries, but immigration officials are telling them they can't because it would be racist to restrict Muslims?
Or do the European countries have a known policy of favouring Muslims, and so nobody else bothers applying?
Quite frankly, I find both scenarios hard to believe. The first would be outright discriminatory, and not at all the sort of thing I'd expect from politically-correct European bureaucrats. And I have to think that if there was a standing policy of Muslims Only, I'd have heard about it by now.
So I stand by my original suspicion that the current immigrant population of Europe is pretty much representative of the people who want to move there. But if you can present evidence that Europe is deliberately keeping out Chinese, Latin Americans, etc, I'd be happy to read it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| ....I am against people printing cartoons of Mohammed |
I wouldn't say that I'm against it per se, but it does not increase my respect for a newspaper when they publish things that have no other purpose but to offend people's religious sensibilities.
Now, if the same thing were to appear in an in-your-face college humour magazine, or in something like Hustler, that's a different story. I assume that's the sort of journalistic standards that the Jyllands-Posten aspires to. Which is fine, if that's what they're all about. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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So I stand by my original suspicion that the current immigrant population of Europe is pretty much representative of the people who want to move there. But if you can present evidence that Europe is deliberately keeping out Chinese, Latin Americans, etc, I'd be happy to read it. |
I don't believe for a moment that Europe is deliberately keeping out anyone and I fail to see what discussing the matter achieves. The point is Europe, the US, the entire civilized world, needs to have a collective, internationally-cooperative system of immigration. All economies need immigrants, it's a simple fact, so what I suggest is an international system that gets all would-be immigrants together and distributes them accordingly. Distribution can be done in accordance with the immigrant's wishes or randomly, or some other criteria, but what ever, this collective system must direct immigration. It should absolutely not be laissez faire.
Well, what about Muslims? To move to a civilized country, all immigrants must be made fully aware that we fought against and defeated totalitarianism (and theocracy in the Enlightenment) and we do not yearn to live in totalitarian states whereby certain ideologies get a free ride from mockery and criticism solely because adherents tend not to have white skin. In the civilized world, we can say, mock and criticize anything we like, including religion, so long as it doesn't have a discriminatory or specifically racist intent. Christians and Jews are okay because their genocial, celestial autocrat is just that - celestial. They seek to be slaves in Heaven only. Muslims do not. The reason they leave their countries and move to the West is to gain freedom, security and prosperity, so it makes no sense at all for the host country to adopt any of the principles of the country from whence the immigrant comes. Muslim immigrants must be shown the Danish cartoons, shown gay porn, these sorts of things....and other more rigorous tests to weed out the good Muslims from the bad, because the bad are the absolute filth of the planet.
In other words, it is demonstrably impossible to faithfully observe Sharia on matters such as monogamy, provisions for divorce, equality of the sexes, custody of children, laws of inheritance and evidence, freedom of belief, freedom of expression, provisions for blasphemy and provisions for apostasy in the West. Basically, I suppose a condition of immigration into the West is to renounce belief that the Koran is infallibly true, since we know for certain that much of it is false, tampered with at best. Gabriel may have visited Mohammad, who knows, but nevertheless the Koran contains many false and indecent statements. It would appear that would-be Muslim immigrants must stop being Muslims in order to observe Western laws, customs and culture.
My system will see demand for Muslims plunge in any case, since Latinos, non-Muslim Africans, non-Muslim Asian immigrants will be distributed where ever there is demand and Muslims will have to stay in their theocracies. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| I don't believe for a moment that Europe is deliberately keeping out anyone and I fail to see what discussing the matter achieves. |
Well, just that it's been suggested here that European countries should restrict Muslim immigration, and I was wondering if that were possible to do without straining the workforce, and Peel said that there were lots of Latinos etc who would like to move to Europe, and I asked why they weren't doing so, and Peel suggested that the Europeans didn't want to let them in because it would be seen as "racist" to limit Muslim immigration. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't believe for a moment that Europe is deliberately keeping out anyone and I fail to see what discussing the matter achieves. |
Well, just that it's been suggested here that European countries should restrict Muslim immigration, and I was wondering if that were possible to do without straining the workforce, and Peel said that there were lots of Latinos etc who would like to move to Europe, and I asked why they weren't doing so, and Peel suggested that the Europeans didn't want to let them in because it would be seen as "racist" to limit Muslim immigration. |
Well, he had a point. Anybody who dares question anything connected with immigration is viewed as xenophobic by Left Wing parasites.
Europe should keep it in the family and is doing. Expect an Australian-style points system to apply to all migrants except those from the 30 states in European Economic Area this year. Good news and long overdue. |
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