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What do you tell your friends about Korea?
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Hank the Iconoclast



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: What do you tell your friends about Korea? Reply with quote

I am not a Korea hater in the least bit and I even have a Korean fiance. However, I am rather bothered with these new visa laws and I think they are causing problems rather than creating solutions. I have had a few friends who were interested in working in Korea and honestly I can't recommend it anymore. The cell phone rules, bank restricitons and now these current visa laws are really making me wonder why someone would want to work in Korea.

So what are you telling your friends and family about this? If your friends are interested in working in Korea, do you encoruage them? I have been telling my friends they should look elsewhere and tell them to think before they decide to purchase Korean products. Seriously, I am interested in seeing the reaction of the Korean government if foreigners decided that Korea is no longer worth the hassle.
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whatever



Joined: 11 Jun 2006
Location: Korea: More fun than jail.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, one of the first things that I tell them is that I work with a bunch of foreign snobs. Seriously. (Who often make Koreans look all the more friendly and reasonable...)
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell them Korea is a xenophobic, small, piss ant, little, annoying, rude country. I then tell them that I like almost all of the Korean people I meet. The people are generally nice, the country (and I guess the culture) sucks.
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endo



Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mom has been here to visit me twice and she really enjoyed it.


And if any other friends or family came to visit me, I'd mostly be positive and show them a lot of the things I love about this country.



Generally I have a pretty solid view of Korea, but certain insidents (banking cards, E2 restrictions, 2002 tank accident, ect) piss me off to no end.
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Hank the Iconoclast



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

endo wrote:
My mom has been here to visit me twice and she really enjoyed it.


And if any other friends or family came to visit me, I'd mostly be positive and show them a lot of the things I love about this country.



Generally I have a pretty solid view of Korea, but certain insidents (banking cards, E2 restrictions, 2002 tank accident, ect) piss me off to no end.


Aye, my mother and aunt are coming over in July. I am looking forward to showing them the places that I like.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell them to come over and I'll help them see for themselves.
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"It's a great place to take a vacation from life, but don't work or bank here if you can help it"
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hexagonsun



Joined: 28 Dec 2007
Location: ROK

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woah...What are these new cell phone rules? And bank restrictions? Please explain.

I must admit to the OP and everyone I suppose, it's been quite a frustrating experience just attempting to come over there. I'm in the process of getting my Visa #, THEN I have to do an interview at the consulate. It's been two weeks and Kimmi still doesn't have it. I'm a bit worried because I'm completely in limbo right now, but charging full steam ahead by gathering my supplies and collecting my head. The new regulations suck, we all know that. I did an unimaginable amount of running around gathering the documents and making sure I was doing everything right. I can understand how most of you already over there must think we're mad for jumping through so many hoops. I keep saying to myself it will be worth it (I hope).

What pisses me off the most is that Korea implemented the new regs with such haste and lack of information that it basically screws over EVERYONE. Potential teachers, recruiters, schools, parents who want to send there kids to school, but there aren't any teachers. It's a horrible cycle. Perhaps schools will think twice before treating their teachers like garbage with how difficult it is to even get a human being into the country now. One could only dream.

I could see a lot of people getting completely turned off by coming to Korea once these new regulations are in complete, full effect. FBI Checks, blood samples, retina scans, interrogation by water boarding, enemas, original diplomas, etc
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Atavistic



Joined: 22 May 2006
Location: How totally stupid that Korean doesn't show in this area.

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Korea, but these new regs are clearly racist or kyopos and people on F-whatevers would have to do the same. I am sick of dealing with "sorry, can't, foreigner" everywhere I turn, I am sick of being treated as less than human.

I'm not a masochist, and that's why I tell people not to come here.

Some people have told me, but you could marry your boyfriend and be an in F-series! Oh great, then I get to deal with being a Korean wife and smugly think, "Their racism doesn't apply to me!"

Yeah, right.
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nateium



Joined: 21 Aug 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
I tell them Korea is a xenophobic, small, piss ant, little, annoying, rude country. I then tell them that I like almost all of the Korean people I meet. The people are generally nice, the country (and I guess the culture) sucks.


Somehow that's very true. It's really alot of basically good natured people stuck in an overcrowded hypercompetitive depressing situation, and they are doing the best they can with it. I see those somber expressions everyday and I feel for them... Sad
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Chris Kwon



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haven't had any problems here yet. An ajumma last week hooked me up at a restaurant for being a good lookin waegook Cool
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hexagonsun wrote:
Woah...What are these new cell phone rules? And bank restrictions? Please explain.


Cellphone rules are thus (This has been my experience, someone will probably tell you otherwise): You can't get a contract phone without a Korean credit card.

Banking restrictions are thus: 1.You can't get a Korean credit card as a foriegner. (there are some ways around this...but its a REAL hassle).
2. You can't get an international ATM card as a foriegner (i.e. no visa electron/maestro, just some Korean thingy).
3. You can't get a korean atm card until you've had your account for 3 months. So you have to go to the bank during working hours to draw cash...no need to explain why this is a problem.
4. Sending money home. I've had no problems, but others have complained about passports being stamped, limits being applied and what not.
5. Full range of financial services aren't available - No loans, limited investment opportunities etc.

Yet, while i'd mention all this to people back home, these issues are more of inconvienience than anything else.
The two big issues are: Visa reg's (not so much the regulations themselves...but the whole disorganised fashion they've been implemented, the fact that NO-ONE actually knows EXACTLTY what's going on, and the amount of discretion given to kimmi employees... luck of the draw if there's a grey area. Some of the reg's are a major hassle too.. interview at consulate, and the whole CBC/apostille circus which just takes so much time!).
My other major gripe is the dishonesty of private schools.

To jump through so many hoops to get an "E-2 slave visa" then find yourself in the prison shower picking up the soap with very limited options isn't fun. I really hope the reg's are changed soon to allow for the teacher to own the visa...atleast giving us some form of agency.

To endo, and others whose friends/family have visited: there is a big difference between being a tourist and living/working in a place. Most of the issues we have a tourist would likely avoid completly.

That being said, I like Korea Smile
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I talk to people back home about Korea it usually doesn't take too long before someone changes the subject.
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RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tell them that Korea has real freedom, not the fake kind in the USA. It's cool to buy a cold beer at 3 am and take in the room salon eye candy on the stroll to the PC cafe. Also, the cheap transportation is great.
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Tigerlilly



Joined: 25 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just want to say about the bank cards etc, I've not had any problems, so it could be worth checking at different banks or asking other teachers who go to various banks what they get.
I have an international bank card (maestro) with Nonhyup bank and it was no problem to get.
Also my friend just opened a brand new bank account last week (sorry I don't remember which bank, think it starts with an S) and was given there and then a Korean ATM card which can also be used in all stores to buy/pay with.
Maybe we were just lucky, but could be worth checking out other banks.
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