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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Craven Moorehead wrote: |
| Right. You are the biggest A-gamer on a board rife with them. Your apparent mental infirmity, sorry mental health, was clearly threatened by an animal easily taken by you and drowned at the olde swimming hole, according to your ridiculous story. Get a GD life, moron. |
One or two mental health issues yourself, evidently. 
Imagine living very close to a noisy dog that barks day and night. Imagine the owner is a crazy, stupid, selfish sociopath with whom polite requests, local authority requests (inc. police) did no good. Imagine you have sleepless nights and you cannot study effectively and the quality of life deteriorates. All this because of a dog! Not a man, not a baby, a freakin dog! You might think I'm morally compelled to just tolerate it, but I don't. I will take the law into my own hands.
With my noisy neighbors in Korea, assaults on property, using fear and intimidation, was a total last resort after a 2 month ordeal. I realize I cannot kill humans, but I can kill dogs because - like mindmetoo said - dogs are property. I wasn't arrested for dog murder; I was arrested for theft. My life, as a qualified English teacher, taxpayer, son, boyfriend is vastly more important than the life of a dog.
Noisy pet dogs are an irritating menace to many people and the time has come for severe restrictions on man�s best friend. I�m not generally a prohibitionist, but it depends entirely on the product and the culture. Those with a noisy yet illegal dog will be shopped to cops. We must take a firm stance against unnecessary noise pollution and realize it for the menace to society it is. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Craven Moorehead wrote: |
| Right. You are the biggest A-gamer on a board rife with them. Your apparent mental infirmity, sorry mental health, was clearly threatened by an animal easily taken by you and drowned at the olde swimming hole, according to your ridiculous story. Get a GD life, moron. |
One or two mental health issues yourself, evidently.
Imagine living very close to a noisy dog that barks day and night. Imagine the owner is a crazy, stupid, selfish sociopath with whom polite requests, local authority requests (inc. police) did no good. Imagine you have sleepless nights and you cannot study effectively and the quality of life deteriorates. All this because of a dog! Not a man, not a baby, a freakin dog! You might think I'm morally compelled to just tolerate it, but I don't. I will take the law into my own hands.
With my noisy neighbors in Korea, assaults on property, using fear and intimidation, was a total last resort after a 2 month ordeal. I realize I cannot kill humans, but I can kill dogs because - like mindmetoo said - dogs are property. I wasn't arrested for dog murder; I was arrested for theft. My life, as a qualified English teacher, taxpayer, son, boyfriend is vastly more important than the life of a dog.
Noisy pet dogs are an irritating menace to many people and the time has come for severe restrictions on man�s best friend. I�m not generally a prohibitionist, but it depends entirely on the product and the culture. Those with a noisy yet illegal dog will be shopped to cops. We must take a firm stance against unnecessary noise pollution and realize it for the menace to society it is. |
Let's even take out the animal issue and consider this dog property. You destroyed the property of your neighbour, which is illegal and not good for society. You could have filed complaints and then sued the owners, but you destroyed someone else's property, which is against the law. So what you did was wrong just for that. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Craven Moorehead wrote: |
| Right. You are the biggest A-gamer on a board rife with them. Your apparent mental infirmity, sorry mental health, was clearly threatened by an animal easily taken by you and drowned at the olde swimming hole, according to your ridiculous story. Get a GD life, moron. |
One or two mental health issues yourself, evidently.
Imagine living very close to a noisy dog that barks day and night. Imagine the owner is a crazy, stupid, selfish sociopath with whom polite requests, local authority requests (inc. police) did no good. Imagine you have sleepless nights and you cannot study effectively and the quality of life deteriorates. All this because of a dog! Not a man, not a baby, a freakin dog! You might think I'm morally compelled to just tolerate it, but I don't. I will take the law into my own hands.
With my noisy neighbors in Korea, assaults on property, using fear and intimidation, was a total last resort after a 2 month ordeal. I realize I cannot kill humans, but I can kill dogs because - like mindmetoo said - dogs are property. I wasn't arrested for dog murder; I was arrested for theft. My life, as a qualified English teacher, taxpayer, son, boyfriend is vastly more important than the life of a dog.
Noisy pet dogs are an irritating menace to many people and the time has come for severe restrictions on man�s best friend. I�m not generally a prohibitionist, but it depends entirely on the product and the culture. Those with a noisy yet illegal dog will be shopped to cops. We must take a firm stance against unnecessary noise pollution and realize it for the menace to society it is. |
I thought you said it didn't happen in Korea? |
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Craven Moorehead
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Craven Moorehead wrote: |
| Right. You are the biggest A-gamer on a board rife with them. Your apparent mental infirmity, sorry mental health, was clearly threatened by an animal easily taken by you and drowned at the olde swimming hole, according to your ridiculous story. Get a GD life, moron. |
One or two mental health issues yourself, evidently.
Imagine living very close to a noisy dog that barks day and night. Imagine the owner is a crazy, stupid, selfish sociopath with whom polite requests, local authority requests (inc. police) did no good. Imagine you have sleepless nights and you cannot study effectively and the quality of life deteriorates. All this because of a dog! Not a man, not a baby, a freakin dog! You might think I'm morally compelled to just tolerate it, but I don't. I will take the law into my own hands.
With my noisy neighbors in Korea, assaults on property, using fear and intimidation, was a total last resort after a 2 month ordeal. I realize I cannot kill humans, but I can kill dogs because - like mindmetoo said - dogs are property. I wasn't arrested for dog murder; I was arrested for theft. My life, as a qualified English teacher, taxpayer, son, boyfriend is vastly more important than the life of a dog.
Noisy pet dogs are an irritating menace to many people and the time has come for severe restrictions on man�s best friend. I�m not generally a prohibitionist, but it depends entirely on the product and the culture. Those with a noisy yet illegal dog will be shopped to cops. We must take a firm stance against unnecessary noise pollution and realize it for the menace to society it is. |
I thought you said it didn't happen in Korea? |
Forget about it. This dingleberry's tenuous grasp of reality results in contradictions in a story concocted for shock value. I regret ever falling for it in the first place, thereby feeding his need for attention. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Let's even take out the animal issue and consider this dog property. You destroyed the property of your neighbour, which is illegal and not good for society. You could have filed complaints and then sued the owners, but you destroyed someone else's property, which is against the law. So what you did was wrong just for that. |
My dear friend, I tried every reasonable tactic in the book and they all failed in their attempts to give me my universal right to sleep. What I did was wrong only if you subscribe to the view of morality that to do what is illegal is wrong. If you don't subscribe to that view, which of course I don't, I can do as I please.
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I thought you said it didn't happen in Korea? Did you have noisy Korean neighbours in the UK? |
Bramble, please, you have misunderstood me totally. For starters, the incident took place in Brooklyn, not the UK. Secondly, I had terrible problems with noisy neighbors in Korea also (see this thread).
I essentially forced noisy Koreans to leave because they are such sociopathically selfish people and I had no choice, having exhausted alternatives. It's the same with the noisy dog. Basically, Bramble, I will eliminate things that prevent me from sleep. Preventing me from sleep is a declaration of war upon me and I will totally destroy my enemy, with devastating retaliation. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: |
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My dear friend, I tried every reasonable tactic in the book and they all failed in their attempts to give me my universal right to sleep. What I did was wrong only if you subscribe to the view of morality that to do what is illegal is wrong. If you don't subscribe to that view, which of course I don't, I can do as I please.
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You propose anarchy, even unjust laws (did you really go through all the necessary channels to deal with this???) are needed in society. We are not evolved enough to live without laws. What you did was wrong for society. If the laws are wrong, they must be changed legally or through revolution. What you did was neither, and wrong. Otherwise it's anarchy. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, most people missed my main point. Thanks showing me pet people can't argue a rational point. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| Justin, sorry I misunderstood, but I thought you were British. You sound British. What were you doing in Brooklyn, and what did you do to try to get the neighbours to keep the dog quiet? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
My dear friend, I tried every reasonable tactic in the book and they all failed in their attempts to give me my universal right to sleep. What I did was wrong only if you subscribe to the view of morality that to do what is illegal is wrong. If you don't subscribe to that view, which of course I don't, I can do as I please.
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You propose anarchy, even unjust laws (did you really go through all the necessary channels to deal with this???) are needed in society. We are not evolved enough to live without laws. What you did was wrong for society. If the laws are wrong, they must be changed legally or through revolution. What you did was neither, and wrong. Otherwise it's anarchy. |
No, buddy, it's not anarachy. It's one individual taking the law into his own hands. You're advocating a kantian view of morality which is indefensible given the complexity of moral decisions.
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| did you really go through all the necessary channels to deal with this??? |
Yes, defo. Police and other Brooklyn authorities? When they fail me in protecting my right to sleep - and sleep is central to sanity and Brooklyn must have sane teachers - I will not hesitate but to kill a dog. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| So you were a teacher in Brooklyn? How long ago was this? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Bramble wrote: |
| Justin, sorry I misunderstood, but I thought you were British. You sound British. What were you doing in Brooklyn, and what did you do to try to get the neighbours to keep the dog quiet? |
I am British, Bramble. Well, I'm British and American. I have citizenship in both thanks to having a London mom and a NYC dad. I did teacher training in Brooklyn - my dad (sadly no longer with us) was a Brooklyn cop. I did teacher training in NYC in 2003. My mother and father had an affair in England in 1978. My dad however was married with a Brooklyn wife and family. My existence has been kept a secret between me and my dad. The rest of my American family are unaware of my existence as far as I'm aware. Actually, because my dad was a good man, we had communication my whole life.
I exhausted all polite and reasonable alternatives about the noisy dog. I will crush anything that stands in my way of my right to sleep, with no remorse, no regret. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, long story short, we need to kill all pets and plant them under a tree. That's my position. |
you go before my dog goes! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| [Who gets to decide what's "worthwhile"? |
We get to decided collectively and individually. I'm not suggesting a law. I'm suggesting if you advocate the continued existence of unnecessary animals that do no work and contribute nothing to efficiency (pets), then you need to rethink your position on global warming and what you can do to reduce your carbon footprint.
So far we accord animals the right to die without undue pain. I can take my cat to the vet and have him put it down any time I see fit. I can't do that with my child. That's the society we have. I don't mind that society. You're free to elect politicians who can change that and compel me by the force of law to treat an animal like a human and not property. I for one like the idea animals are property.
Anyway, long story short, we need to kill all pets and plant them under a tree. That's my position. |
Well, I don't. I think your position sucks, and you sound like a completely amoral person. My position is that we need to stop breeding animals and ensure that the ones in existence get to live out their lives in good homes. |
You're confusing two different debates. I'm not arguing about the morality of pet ownership. PETA I believe argues humans should not have dogs and cats. And yes we should simply take care of the ones from shelters and not breed new ones.
I'm merely arguing that any pet ownership for the sake of vanity or ethics comes at an environmental cost. People who worry about global warming and want to reduce their footprint need to not own pets and the existing ones should be put to use as fertilizer. I'll take Mr. Muggles under a sapling over a mother trying to save her baby as sea water rushes into her home. |
these same people should not drive or use electricity either? |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Straying slightly from the main topic, I'm of the opinion that pet dog ownership should see severe restrictions. Pet dogs and their noise pollution are a disease on society. Pet cats destroy vermin - essential - and do not generally cause noise pollution. Noise pollution from dogs is severe enough to warrant restrictions on ownership in my opinion.
I once killed a neighbor's dog (not in Korea). I kidnaped it, took it to a nearby lake and drowned it. I did it with chillingly cold lack of emotion. I love animals and hate animal cruelty, so my killing this dog is testament to how badly my mental state deteriorated because of its noise. I was arrested and questioned but released due to lack of evidence. |
B U L L CHIT!!! |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, most people missed my main point. Thanks showing me pet people can't argue a rational point. |
Why should pet owners have to give up on pets? The damages that you speak of are actually insignificant. Driving to the vet or buying dog food... doesn�t add up to chit!
People drive their cars to get the milk which is just around the corner! America has drive in everything! Why not get ride of the drive inns! That little extra drive around the mc Donald�s actually causes damage too then! And so many other examples which don�t involve a life!
People waste on food everyday! We should start to make the burgers thinner in Mac Donald�s instead! Americans eat far too much! Why not take cuts there. But if you really care about global warming! Then the big companies who are polluting the earth need to be closed down! All transportation needs to stop we should all ride horses again!
HEY turn off your monitor!! It�s contributing to global warming! |
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