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Mr. BlackCat



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: SMOE full?! Reply with quote

Can it be at all possible for SMOE to have filled up all their positions? Or did my last school f me over on my reference?
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: doubtful Reply with quote

It is highly doubtful that SMOE or any of the other educational groups filled all their positions.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On Monday, there was an article about Kelly Ye, SMOE's head recruiter for native English speakers, in the Joongang Ilbo.

http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2886303
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Foot prints sent me an email saying there were 8 places left only at SMOE
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

More positions will open up for August. It doesn't surprise me that SMOE is full. It seems SMOE is a very good system compared to that of GEPIK/EPIK.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"�I want to help Korean students make their dreams come true through my teaching,� the man told Ye.
She asked Patrick straight-to-the-jugular questions, and gave him high marks for his views on education and his passion"

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What a crock of ... well, it's really cliche'd and wishy washy. Is this how they really judge?
Then is Korea going to be so good on your resume?

edited out the bad words.


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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the correct Romanization for her name? Yi or Lee? I know that in Korean you just say the vowel sound. It gets confusing to me to see Lee Myungbak spelling with a L and Ye Kelly's spelling with a Y.

Don't they have the same family name when spelling in Korean?
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Ut videam



Joined: 07 Dec 2007
Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
What is the correct Romanization for her name? Yi or Lee? I know that in Korean you just say the vowel sound. It gets confusing to me to see Lee Myungbak spelling with a L and Ye Kelly's spelling with a Y.

Don't they have the same family name when spelling in Korean?

It is the same in Korean, but there's no standardized romanization for proper names. So, 이 can be romanized as Lee, Li, Ye, Yee, Yi, I, or even Rhee.

Consider for example the case of the first president of the Republic of Korea, 이성만, who romanized his name as Rhee Syngman. Under the official government romanization scheme, it would be I Seungman.
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nomad-ish



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if they have filled all their positions in SMOE, i wouldn't worry. some new places will open up in aug/sept, and in a few months from now i'm sure some people will have decided it isn't for them and left
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrsquirrel wrote:
Foot prints sent me an email saying there were 8 places left only at SMOE


That could be that Footprints only has 8 positions alloted to them. I heard that one of these gov't organizations (could have been GEPIK, not SMOE) had one Korean guy who was a family member of someone in gov't that was approved to work through. That family member had the green light to "sell" certain numbers of these open positions to different recruiters. So each recruiter was only allowed to place as many positions as they purchased, and this Korean guy in the middle would keep half of the fee.

If it is true, some family member of a government official is making huge money off of this, and we still have articles about how they can't fill all of the positions.

This whole process is ripe for some newspaper investigation.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some private schools make teachers pay 30 million won to obtain a position. They do this because private school salaries are much higher and very lucrative.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:
Some private schools make teachers pay 30 million won to obtain a position. They do this because private school salaries are much higher and very lucrative.


hahahah! What age group are you talking about?

Where did you hear that one?

Only after they put in many years could they become so.

Private school positions are where people go who can't pass the very restrictive public school test. If they don't go to a private school, they go to a hagwon.

Public schools mean better pay and job security. Private schools are often akin to servitude, and so many test flunkees are vying for those jobs that the schools can CHARGE people to BUY the positions at the schools.

Gawd, I almost fell out of bed laughing at this post.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang

PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bassexpander wrote:
agoodmouse wrote:
Some private schools make teachers pay 30 million won to obtain a position. They do this because private school salaries are much higher and very lucrative.


hahahah! What age group are you talking about?

Where did you hear that one?

Only after they put in many years could they become so.

Private school positions are where people go who can't pass the very restrictive public school test. If they don't go to a private school, they go to a hagwon.

Public schools mean better pay and job security. Private schools are often akin to servitude, and so many test flunkees are vying for those jobs that the schools can CHARGE people to BUY the positions at the schools.

Gawd, I almost fell out of bed laughing at this post.


I heard this from a colleague of mine. A majority of what you said AGREES with what I just wrote. Do you realize that?

Private high schools pay more. I actually talked to a Korean and got this information.
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bassexpander



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on age of students, the school's location, and the experience of the teacher.

Generally, everyone wants to work for public schools first, private second (because they couldn't get in the public school).

That is the way it works.

I've worked for both, and have many friends from both. Every one of my private school friends is trying to pass the test for a public job. Every single one. One woman took over 12 years to finally pass and get accepted.

They're also treated like slaves/property at private schools. Did you know they even have to get approval from their boss to leave and take a higher-paying position somewhere else?

The boss can say no.

That woman who finally passed the test after 12 years was my boss. She was very afraid that the principal would deny her request to transfer to the public school.

Slaves who had to pay to be slaves.

Still sound like such a great position to be in?
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Ben Glickman



Joined: 10 Mar 2004
Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: SMOE Positions - March and August Reply with quote

As far as we know, the S.M.O.E. has currently filled all of their positions for March from all sources. Some candidates have been wait listed in case candidates that have currently accepted positions drop out. However they are set to hire significantly more teachers this August than they did in August of 2007.
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