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[Omkara]

Don't watch these if you have a weak stomach or just don't want to be disturbed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUZdu5A3TY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySUZdu5A3TY&feature=related

[Temporary]

Wah Wah cry me a Wahmbulance. If you ain't gone eat I will

[The Bobster]

I'll likely watch the Youtubes later, but shall I hazard a wild guess that they're going to show me animals feeling pain before they die.

This is going to sound harsh, but most omnivores are aware that animals are killed to put food on their table - and, no, we don't care very much. I don't think that makes us bad people. I think it makes us ordinary and sort of average.

And, yes, some people do aspire to go beyond ordinary and average, but not everyone does. And again, that does not make us bad people.

Not that I'm implying that you are saying that about us. I'm just saying, watching a video of what we already know happens is not likely to change people's minds.

And I've heard that not every vegetarian is motivated by compassion toward animals. Some have other reasons. And that's okay, too.

[RACETRAITOR]

And after you're done watching that, how about watching some abortion videos?

And if you still want more gross-looking things to hate, I bet I can find some open-heart surgery videos online somewhere. You'll never go to the hospital again.

[twg]

Even trees scream when they're cut down

[IncognitoHFX]

I'm a vegetarian and I don't endorse these first-year-university-beret-wearing-hippie-guerilla tactics.

Lead by example, if people follow they follow. Hold up a good argument *if* someone questions you about it. If not, then leave them alone.

By throwing things like this in people's faces, you're only going to succeed in pissing everybody off and only converting those who will be / are vegetarians anyway. You give normal vegetarians a bad name.

[Omkara]

Interesting responses. I post not to watch this if such things disturb you, and then people talk about things being thrown into other's faces.

No, just making info available.

As for the "waa, waa" argument, well, it speaks for itself.

As for the not all vegetarians not being moved by compassion, that's true. But who'd eat the stuff raised on feed lots did they have compassion for their own health?

"Waa, waaa"? Wow. I am having to re-think my metaphysics and cosmology so as to re-adjust my model of the general human psyche. But, wait. . .I think Freud descussed this general outlook by implication when he discussed the genital stage of development. . .ya think?

Consider the levels of compassion. A general outline would begin with self-concern, moving to kin concern. Some never make it this far. Then, concern for tribe or community. This is a higher level of development. Then, it moves on to strangers. Still higher levels move on to feel compassion for all consciousness.

Yes, there is necessary sufferring. But let us make a distinction here. How often do people eat what they eat out of necessity? It is a shame when people's food choices do not go beyond the tongue or gut.

Again, for the "waa, waa. . ." I bet this gross dispaly of ignorance comes from the mouth of some city boy who's never set foot it the woods, never killed his own food, for had he done so, there'd be more maturity in his evaluation. . .even if he still consumed meat.

These videos show the feed lot, meat consumed on a caplitalistic model wherein meat is a commodity and a consumer is not an organism but an economic component by which means profit is to be made. As the animals are force fed, so too the consumer. But, you make your own choices, right? Waaaaaaa, waaa...mommy!

[mindmetoo]

"Meet your meat"

[Omkara]

Indeed!

[Temporary]

There is a reason people Don't care about certain things... Imagine if you thought about everything you ate. How much pain you cause to all living creatures. It's necesary for the human to be disconnected to a degree WE wouldn't function. We would just lie down and die.

I don't eat much meat myself ( I prefer whey as my protein source). I do enjoy it when I do eat an animal but am I going to feel bad for it, HELL no.

Do you think Lions feel bad when they kill a gazelle, do you think a Bear feels bad when it kills salmon or a deer?

If your going to over philosophize just think how many SPERM had to die to create YOU.. You should be making little monuments for them. Did you think how much pain your mother was in when she gave birth to you? (Did those brave swimers have to die? or when you use a condom when you have sex, aren't you techincally FORBIDING the natural cause?)

Do you think your video is any better then or less painfull then a a hunter going to the forest shooting an animal (Gun or bow), and or traping it.

If you going to quote some one Please don't use a Lunatic/Pedo/Pervert that Freud was.

[Omkara]

The judgment of Freud as a pervert, well, let's just pass that one off as a latent transference owing to the super-ego. . .

But that is neither here nor there.

The more interesting point you've made is about the lion. The lion is ethical. I hold, by extension, that some hunters are ethical. Meat eating is not categorically wrong. It's not that we eat meat that makes many of us unethical, but how we go about eating it.

The first problem is our ignorance.

It is interesting to note the emotional quality on both sides of this arguement. Even those who claim to care not for the suffering of our industrially produced meat sources make the claim emotionally. That is latent compassion.

[Suwoner10]

[Kuros]

This is how the poor can afford meat.

If there were only some way to put a market-value on humane treatment of food, erm, animals.

[Omkara]

The killing is not the issue here. I firmly hold to the proposition that some killing is necessary an even healthy in eco-systems and in evolutionary terms. Moreover, many forms of vegetarianism are strickly urban phenomena and take on a sentimental value which does not properly harmonize with ideal eco-balance. What I object to is the form of the industry, the unnecessary killing and sufferring, the severe impact which the industry puts on the eco systems, etc.

I have killed for my food sources, reflected on my relationship with the environment, and have concluded that I would do so again. Yet, I do not consume meat which has been produced by this economic model which is so profoundly negative and harmful.

Your "allegator eats gazelle" falls under another category, for it can be shown to be in ecological harmony and none of the sufferring is owing to a base and wanton consumerism.

Allegators don't eat when they're not hungry. They do not destroy forests, water resources, consume petrolium products, in order to eat meat. They do not inject the gazelle with hormones, anti-biotics, force them to spend their lives without movement. The prey lives out a normal life, then, in an agonizing flash, is disolved again into the immense design of things.

The symptoms of our disharmony are vast. Both the environment and our bodies are sufferring.

Now, how many more of these so-called rebuttals must we endure before we get some intelligent responses? I do note that there have been one or two intelligent responses, but the rule so far is that the un-thunk-out position is worth posting.

If you think that a little death is what bothers me, you have not read my posts well at all. I have put animals down in cases that the hairy-nutted-meat-eating he-man shrank away from.

Again, these petty responses are only a fraction more ignorant than the fanatical vegan's position. But, the vegan has at least thought. I respect thought, including that which attempts to contradict my own. What i don't respect is juvenile attempts at laughing and poking at a straw-man construction which is supposed to somehow represent me.

Often it is men who make these kinds of thoughtless rebuttals. I say, a man will look the issue squarely and think it through. A boy pokes fun since he lacks the moral stomach to examine his own behavior in relation to a disturbing subject.

[BreakfastInBed]