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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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rush is a weasel. time and again he has made it clear that he is an entertainer first and foremost. i have no doubt that he professionally enjoyed the clinton days much more than Ws time in the oval office.
if mccain wins (he won't) rush has the same materials for four more years. if hilary or obama get in limbaugh has lotsa new potential area for his monologues. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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1. Rush, Ann and Pat don't like McCain
2. Therefore McCain should get the nomination (and be defeated by the democrats)  |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| yes. barring a major catastrophe, the GOP candidate has no chance in 2008. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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George H.W. Bush to endorse McCain
By: Mike Allen
February 15, 2008 01:52 PM EST
Former president George H.W. Bush will endorse Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in Houston on Monday during a media availability at 9:30 a.m. Texas time, Republican sources say.
President Bush will be in Africa at the time. He told �Fox News Sunday� last weekend that he would help make the case for McCain�s conservative credentials as soon as there was an official nominee.
The endorsement by the former president does two things that are crucial to McCain as he tries to capitalize on the potential advantages of being the nominee when Democrats are still fighting it out:
� It begins to make former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee look like he�s not being a team player, raising expectations that he should drop out or run a quieter campaign.
� It also undercuts Republicans who are reluctant to fully support McCain because of his past differences with the party�s right wing.
The father's endorsement follows former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush's decision to back McCain. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney had warm relations with both men and had hoped their endorsements would ignite his candidacy, which he ended last week.
The Texas primary is March 4.
http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=1D9E49E6-3048-5C12-0092F49C44D0E0A8 |
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| 1. Rush, Ann and Pat don't like McCain |
And this makes me happy.
Republicans (moralizing hypocrisy) disgusts me. McCain doesn't. Any guy who opts for more jail time/torture because they won't let his buddies out as well is a stand-up, principled guy in my books. He makes the rest of them look like the pandering, spineless assholes they are. No wonder he's making them uncomfortable. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I like McCain anyway, but he was excellent on Larry King. I realize Larry doesn't ask the most demanding questions, nevertheless McCain totally has it together upstairs, is sharp and convincing.
I think McCain is wrong on the war on drugs, wrong on abortion, wrong on gay marriage, wrong on religion and intelligent design....but hey, never mind, because look at what he's right on: global warming, nuclear energy expansion, healthcare (tax credit should be higher, though), Iraq, Iran, Russia, ethanol, stem cell research, immigration. Not too shabby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_John_McCain |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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One more reason to vote for McCain |
His policy of staying in Iraq is probably the biggest thing he has going for him in my book.
I also think he's too old to take on all the responsibility though. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:17 pm Post subject: |
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CzarJorge blathered:
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| The rightheads know that the Reps, no matter how conservative, will come out to vote against a black man or a Clinton. |
Still talking out your azz, I see. Guess what, Jorge? Lots of conservatives would have voted for Powell--who's 100% USDA certified Black--for President in 1996 and 2000 had he chose to run. They even organized a write-in campaign for him on both occasions.
Hate to shatter your fragile world view, but most of the Southern segregationists were Yellow Dog Democrats, not Republicans. As far back as Reconstruction, Blacks were running on the Republican ticket, too, in local Southern elections.
And as for voting against Hillary, it crosses all party lines and demographic groups. Many of us JUST DON'T LIKE HER.
Canuckistan (the impartial MOD) drooled:
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| And this makes me happy. Republicans (moralizing hypocrisy) disgusts me. McCain doesn't |
Glad you're as gleeful as a high school glee club officer but McCain is NOT the exception that proves the rule, despite your wishful thinking to the contrary.
As for hypocrisy, well, gee, were Billy Bob and Madeline Halfbright hypocrites for criticizing the war in Iraq but foregoing the UN to get NATO backing to fight the Serbs? Or did their ends justify the means?
And Billy Bob, for all his rapture over being the "first Black president," kinda sat on his hands while the Rwandan genocide took place in 1994. And let's not forget Hillary's scolding of the Chinese about women's rights in Beijing in 1995, despite the fact that women in China both then and now have more leverage than, say, South Korean or Japanese women.
Ouch. Ouch. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:41 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of conservatives would have voted for Powell--who's 100% USDA certified Black--for President in 1996 and 2000 had he chose to run. They even organized a write-in campaign for him on both occasions.
Hate to shatter your fragile world view, but most of the Southern segregationists were Yellow Dog Democrats, not Republicans. As far back as Reconstruction, Blacks were running on the Republican ticket, too, in local Southern elections. |
Way to breeze over a century and a half of history. If you talk fast enough, maybe no one will notice the sleight of hand...or is that sleight of mind?
No one has said all conservatives are racists. However, it would be a lie to say that a portion of the modern GOP is not. Starting in '68, racists began switching parties. I don't think I need to go into the history of it all. You know it perfectly well. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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| No one has said all conservatives are racists. However, it would be a lie to say that a portion of the modern GOP is not. |
Glad to see people recognizing something as simple as "not all conservatives are racists." I take your second point as well. But please apply it everywhere it needs application (try "everyone in the world," at least to one degree or another)...
| The Democrat Harry S. Truman wrote: |
| I think one man is just as good as another so long as he's honest, and decent, and not a nigger [expletive for "African-American"] or a Chinaman. |
I can cite all kinds of nice quotes from LBJ, by the way. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Lots of conservatives would have voted for Powell--who's 100% USDA certified Black--for President in 1996 and 2000 had he chose to run. They even organized a write-in campaign for him on both occasions.
Hate to shatter your fragile world view, but most of the Southern segregationists were Yellow Dog Democrats, not Republicans. As far back as Reconstruction, Blacks were running on the Republican ticket, too, in local Southern elections. |
Way to breeze over a century and a half of history. If you talk fast enough, maybe no one will notice the sleight of hand...or is that sleight of mind?
No one has said all conservatives are racists. However, it would be a lie to say that a portion of the modern GOP is not. Starting in '68, racists began switching parties. I don't think I need to go into the history of it all. You know it perfectly well. |
Okay, let me see if I can respond to this as objectively as possible. Gopher says racism exists everywhere. That is true. The GOP has attracted white people who have been affiliated with Klu Klux Klan in the past more than say the democratic party which has many minoritis historically who joined such as the Irish, Italians, and Jews and then African Americans and Hispanics.
The democratic party according to some republicans had Mr. Byrd as a prominent bigot. The democratic party had Mondale return the money of Lebanese Christians in the 1980s because they happen to speak Arabic, and it would upset their Jewish backers. This was according to a republican to Paul Findley. Obama has had to defend himself for wearing a Kenyan robe. What's the big deal about wearing an African robe?
He also had to defend himself because Farrakhan endorsed him.
I am certain prejudice exists among people from both parties. I, however, think the democratic, viewing itself as a progressive party and somewhat on the Left, may have more socially tolerant views. It was Bill Clinton who started "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. There are democrats who are anti-gay and don't want them in the military. There is no doubt about it. What about Strom Thurmond and his birthday and how Trent Lott disgraced himself? What about the way McCain was attacked about his non-white, adopted child. That can't be directly traced to certain people in the party. Then there was the way it was insinuated that Anne Richards was a lesbian in Texas, so George Bush could win with the help of Karl Rove.
In some ways, some Republicans have been more open than democrats. George Bush senior sent soldiers to Somalia. He cultivated good ties with Europeans and Arabs. He was open to whomever he thought was good for America. He hired Colin Powell who deserved his post, and he also hired John Sunnunu a Lebanese Catholic. He gave political to Palestinian refugees fleeing Kuwait in 1991. He, unlike his son, was rather open to homosexuals and his agenda was not as beholden to the Christian right. I would rather Bush senior had run in 2000 rather than his son or McCain would have been chosen as the nominee. McCain is very tolerant, one of the most tolerant people out there.
The republicans call themselves conservatives and democrats often themselves as progressive. Often, conservative are often more likely threatened by those different than them. That's based on experience, but intolerant people of the worst kind also exist in both camps. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| Starting in '68, racists began switching parties. I don't think I need to go into the history of it all. You know it perfectly well. |
What I'm refering to is that starting around 1968 the Republican Party began making itself appealing to active racists. This strategy is sometimes known as the Southern Strategy. Very quickly, what used to be the Solid South that could be depended on to vote Democratic--rather than for Lincoln's Party--switched to voting consistently for Lincoln's Party. In the 30's and 40's Trent Lott and Newt Gingrich would almost certainly have been Democrats like their friend Strom Thurman, but times change. [If anyone thinks that it is just coincidence that the only two Democrats elected to the presidency in the last 40 years happened to be Southern governors, they are too naive for belief.]
I'm surprised to see Harry Truman's quote rather than the story of when he went to a Klan rally and gave 'em hell for being bigots or for the work he did furthering civil rights.
It would be intellectually honest and truthful to admit that the GOP has used race to gain and hold power in contemporary America. One of the nadirs of political ads was Willy Horton. I think it's fair to say that the GOP used racial fear as part of their strategy in the politics of fear. |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Let's not forget this Republican stalwart:
 Here are a few of his (at least moderately) racist quotes - indicating that the "Southern Strategy" was employed by him not just for political expedience...
Blacks:
The second point is that coming out--coming back and saying
that black Americans aren't as good as black Africans--most
of them , basically, are just out of the trees. Now, let's
face it, they are.
Richard Nixon to Rumsfeld 7-11-1971
White House Tapes
Welfare Reform:
You have to face the fact that whole problem is really
the blacks. The key is to divise a system that
reconizes this while not appearing to...
President Richard Nixon
Alone In the White House
Pg 110
Racism:
What people resent is this business of some colleges
pushing the blacks too far for their own good, making
them doctors and everything else....The racism has
receded, I think, but it's there and it will always be
there....A lot of people are just as racist now, but
it's not fashionable anymore--and I think that's
damned important. You can't talk about blacks like
you once did.
President Richard Nixon
Alone In the White House Pg 110
How about Nixon and his VP Spiro Agnew brazenly lampooning the "Southern Strategy" at the Gridiron Club?
...This was the first time a chief executive had appeared on the Gridiron stage, and Nixon opened by asking:"What about this 'southern strategy [of reaching white voters at blacks' expense]' we hear so often?" "Yes suh, Mr. President," Agnew replied, "Ah agree with you completely on yoah southern strategy." The dialect, as Roger Wilkins observed, got the biggest boffo.
After more banter with the "darky" Agnew, Nixon opened the piano duet with Franklin Roosevelt's favorite song ("Home on the Range"), then Harry Truman's ("Missouri Waltz"), then Lyndon Johnson's ("The Eyes of Texas Are Upon You"). Agnew drowned him out a few bars into each with a manic "Dixie" on his piano, and the Gridiron crew got louder and louder. "The crowd ate it up," Wilkins observed. "They roared." Nixon ended with his own favorite songs, "God Bless America" and "Auld Lang Syne," and here Agnew played it straight. The Gridiron dinner faded with five hundred men suddenly solemn and on their feet, many with tears in their eyes, all singing along, all celebrating their nation...
http://backissues.cjrarchives.org/year/96/4/books-nixon.asp
Yeah - "One nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" - ...  |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 9:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised to see Harry Truman's quote rather than the story of when he went to a Klan rally and gave 'em hell for being bigots or for the work he did furthering civil rights. |
That is because he, like your "GOP," defy easy labels, Ya-ta Boy. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
Location: United States
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: |
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| Pat Buccanan is also against McCain. |
Regicide is also against McCain. |
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