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Milwaukiedave
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All these criticisms seem pretty petty to me.
Jesus, no wonder people flock to Obama. |
Not true, it's about having a legitimate Democratic nominee. If you back someone who wants to change the rules after the fact, then maybe you have to wonder about her motivation to do so. Look at some of your own statements. I've actually seen what Clinton supporters say about Obama, but go ahead and defend them anyway. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
All these criticisms seem pretty petty to me.
Jesus, no wonder people flock to Obama. |
Not true, it's about having a legitimate Democratic nominee. If you back someone who wants to change the rules after the fact, then maybe you have to wonder about her motivation to do so. |
She didn't make the rules. The DNC did. She did agree to the rules, but she had little choice: she didn't want to offend Iowa and NH.
If she can challenge the rules, good for her. Its not like she's *cheating*. Either she convinces and lobbies successfully or she doesn't. All the people here complaining about Hillary's moves are people who already hated her.
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| Look at some of your own statements. |
What does that mean?
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| I've actually seen what Clinton supporters say about Obama, but go ahead and defend them anyway. |
Who cares what some people say? As if that's relevent. I don't have to defend some losers who make crap arguments about a candidate. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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If I may quote Herm Edwards once more: "You play to win the game."
She's a politician, and she's spent a lot of time and energy on this, so I don't see how this is surprising. If it doesn't work, oh well, what's the alternative? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Jesus, no wonder people flock to Obama. |
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| Look at some of your own statements. |
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| What does that mean? |
You've posted plenty of negative crap about Obama and then go on to deny doing it. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| All these criticisms seem pretty petty to me. |
Is it petty to claim that votes in red states don't count, or caucuses don't count. Yes it is spin, I realize that. However, that spin has backfired time and time again. Why not criticize the strategy? I've said time and time again it's about winning states, not dismissing them. Bill Clinton dismissed Obama's win after SC making the comment that it was one Jessie Jackson won in 1988. Clinton attacked Obama in Wisconsin for not debating her, how did that go over? Clinton attacked Obama for "lifting words" in a speech, remind me how that went? And the list goes on....
And you wonder WHY things are not going well. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm looking forward to Hillary losing even more than McCain. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
And you wonder WHY things are not going well. |
I've pointed out on another thread that I think Mark Penn is hurting the campaign.
Things are going well for Hillary. She has half of the delegates she needs, and has 93% or so of the delegates that Obama does. Now she's going into friendly turf.
You need to take that chip off your shoulder: Obama is still winning. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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Clinton has another new website. This one features annoying videos of people talking about how they love Hillary. It's blechtastic.
http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/ |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| You need to take that chip off your shoulder: Obama is still winning. |
Maybe, I realize I can be harsh. However it's stuff like this that REALLY annoys me. Using Clinton surrogates to go on 10+ minutes of attacks is just crazy. You have to ask yourself why do they do this?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23255540#23255540
I'm just asking, is this the arguement Hillary Clinton wants to make? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Clinton has another new website. This one features annoying videos of people talking about how they love Hillary. It's blechtastic.
http://www.hillaryspeaksforme.com/ |
I'm sure it is. But I find Hollywood actors singing and chanting "Yes, we can" creepy and presumptious, as well. Reminds me of what Eugene Debs said:
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| I am not a Labor Leader; I do not want you to follow me or anyone else; if you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I led you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition. |
Best socialist ever. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Czar's website submission is yucky.
What are the Vegas odds for Hill-town right now? |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Who are the superdelegates?
I ultimately think Obama will win the nomination but the Superdelegates do have some influence; how much influence is a matter of debate. Hillary will have to make a strong showing if she wishes to stay competitive. IMO, if Hillary doesn't win both the Texas and Ohio primaries then she is done. Obama will be the presumptive democrat nominee. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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Pluto,
Nice chart, I had not seen that one. Thanks for posting it. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm sure it is. But I find Hollywood actors singing and chanting "Yes, we can" creepy and presumptious, as well. |
So now anything that is uplifting is suddenly a creepy? That sounds like a familiar arguement I've read somewhere else online. HC supporters accusing Obama's campaign of being a "cult" or "cultish" is nothing new.
Just a correction, not all the people on that video are Hollywood actors, some of them are singers. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
So now anything that is uplifting is suddenly a creepy? |
Specifically, its the 'we' part I find creepy.
You can't have it both ways: bloviating about how much you hate Hillary without the pro-Clinton posters pointing out what turns them off. |
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