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Tae Kwon Do: The McDonalds of Martial Arts?
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actionjackson



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:32 am    Post subject: Tae Kwon Do: The McDonalds of Martial Arts? Reply with quote

Note: This is in no way bashing Korea's national sport. It's simply an observation I made well before ever setting foot in this country.

I grew in small town america. There was one place that you could learn martial arts and it was shotokan karate. A guy started a club at the university I lived nearby where he taught tae kwon do. So as a youngster I spent several years learning tae kwon do (I was small and got beat up a lot). As I got older and started venturing into suburban and big city america, for every kung fu, judo, or other martial art studio I came across, you could easily find 3-4 tae kwon do dojos. I've noticed this in Chicago as well as Seattle, was just wondering if anyone else had ever noticed this.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that the taekwondo guys on K1 never win? It takes a bush machete man like Mighty Mo to slug 'em and down they all go ...
Is it not all show? Sure, there are some fit guys who do it, but are they lethal? Maybe Tai Chi is just as good.
I heard of one bloke who learned his karate etc when a kids in Aus, came here with 2nd dan and beat up his really obnoxious 5th dan tkd instructor by taking him down and keeping him there.
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I was told by a friend of my that ran a Taekwondo place, is that Taekwondo is a sporting martial art. Its not meant for use in real combat. The purpose of it is sport.

I've heard that if you want to really hurt people, you should learn Hapkido.
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JustJohn



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a fair bit about marital arts, and I'd have to say pkang is right in a way.

In my opinion Taekewondo is a sport first and a fighting method second. It can be an effective fighting method at long range, but teaches almost no infighting. Thus, not the most effective fighting system, but still an awesome sport. Wushu would be on the far sport end of the spectrum, and hapkido/muy thai/bjj would be more geared toward fighting.
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crsandus



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
From what I was told by a friend of my that ran a Taekwondo place, is that Taekwondo is a sporting martial art. Its not meant for use in real combat. The purpose of it is sport.

I've heard that if you want to really hurt people, you should learn Hapkido.


Man I must have been exposed to some crappy hapkido. I decided to not take any classes because I just saw everyone performing drops, rolls, and gymnastic type movements... seeing people perform hapkido to dance music really killed the machismo aspect of it.
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TECO



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:

I've heard that if you want to really hurt people, you should learn Hapkido.


Hapkido flows from Japanese Daito-ryu Aikijujitsu.

Yes, Hapkido (the pure form of Hapkido - not the kicks and flips) is for combat - NOT SPORT!

crsandus wrote:
Man I must have been exposed to some crappy hapkido. I decided to not take any classes because I just saw everyone performing drops, rolls, and gymnastic type movements... seeing people perform hapkido to dance music really killed the machismo aspect of it.


Yes, you most likely were exposed to the "Koreanized" version of Hapkido.

Hapkido is a form of Japanese Daito-ryu ju jitsu and has been gradually modified by Koreans over the years to include the acrobatic kicks and flipts one normally sees from Hapkido practitioners (ala Taikwondo).

However, all this acrobatic sheit isn't true to the pure form of Hapkido that was originally introduced to Koreans by Choi Yong Sul after he returned from Japan.
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry but hapkido is a joke as well.
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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

virtually any martial art can be used to kick ass, as my kenpo sparing brother found out. The so called 'superiority ' of MMA lies entirely in the first word, mixed. Being good at multiple styles will always be effective vs a solo style if both of you are equal in experience, and physique. However notice most MMA matches are competition in weight class, while karate sparing is competition by belt. Also effective moves like throat collapses, groin shots, and elbow strikes to the back of the neck or point of the chin are frowned on in MMA tournmanets. Thus people who watch a lot of k-1 and UFC have a unrealisitc view of fights. As my brother always said "if you can't kill them in 10 seconds you're doing it wrong." This is not an approach that would make a good sport at all.
-People don't get up after a proper TKD kick, yeah its tough to deliver, but any TKD blackbelt(as in adult with 10+ years) is going to drive your jawbone through your skull, before you see it coming. After all we're all tough guys in the internet, but real life is another story.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a bit off the point but what would be the best way to take down a guy like Mighty Mo within ten seconds?
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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A good swift kick in the knackers.
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Donkey Beer



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
It's a bit off the point but what would be the best way to take down a guy like Mighty Mo within ten seconds?


Kick him in the nuts or back of the head.
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sargx



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Martial arts depends on the individual implementing them 80% of the time. Saying one style is better than another is just theory craft. I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. I've also seen a white belt beat a 5th degree black belt in shotokan.
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JustJohn



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sargx wrote:
Martial arts depends on the individual implementing them 80% of the time. Saying one style is better than another is just theory craft. I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. I've also seen a white belt beat a 5th degree black belt in shotokan.


I'd like to know how this judo guy beat the BJJ guys. Usually BJJ guys are great grapplers, so I imagine the judo guy must have managed a quick throw on them or something?




Please read:
Most of the "gymnastics" you saw in hapkido are not "sheit." Those rolls and falls are designed to save your butt when you get thrown or shoved or whatever, and they are very effective. The original styles of hapkido and aikido both include them.



P.S.
There is still a sport or "for fun" aspect which varies by school, and that's where you get the music stuff etc. Some schools won't have that, others might have a lot.[/b]
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Temporary



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustJohn wrote:
sargx wrote:
Martial arts depends on the individual implementing them 80% of the time. Saying one style is better than another is just theory craft. I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ. I've also seen a white belt beat a 5th degree black belt in shotokan.


I'd like to know how this judo guy beat the BJJ guys. Usually BJJ guys are great grapplers, so I imagine the judo guy must have managed a quick throw on them or something?




Please read:
Most of the "gymnastics" you saw in hapkido are not "sheit." Those rolls and falls are designed to save your butt when you get thrown or shoved or whatever, and they are very effective. The original styles of hapkido and aikido both include them.



P.S.
There is still a sport or "for fun" aspect which varies by school, and that's where you get the music stuff etc. Some schools won't have that, others might have a lot.[/b]


Lol

Ever got thrown onto pavement... No matter how much you may be ready for it still hurts like fcka.

Any way since when is the World made up of Handgrabbers.. Sorry Hapkido is still a giagantic joke.
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ublove



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sargx wrote:
I've seen green belts in judo destroy 3rd black-belts in BJJ.

I'm sorry but this is BS.

And to the poster who says hapkido is a gigantic joke: It's obvious to me that you've never gone toe-to-toe with a hapkido master (at least 5th dan, 7-8 years of training).
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