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tareze

Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Location: north or south of a river
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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just to illustrate how mind boggling this can be for an American...
...so i call what i think is my local police station...they are just that, the police station and don't handle this sort of thing, direct me to another number of a different office. i call there, they say well, that's not exactly our specialty, let us transfer you to these other people. i interrupt to get the phone number of course since i'm calling from overseas. then i am transferred to another office but these people are only the ones who accept payment for background checks and i get routed to another office yet again.
at this final office, where they do in fact to background checks they tell me that while yes they cover the city i live in, the street my home address is on is not actually within their jurisdiction. also i will need to provide them with a notarized copy of my driver's license or passport for identity verification (this is for New York). i can get a check from them if i like but they don't really see the point...i've missing out of the point for a while by this time...ANYWAY... i get another number to the Sheriff's Dept. that my street is covered by and they will issue a check if i fax them a written request, simple enough. they will notarize it too and mail it to my home address. ok.
now, i have to convince my mom to take it to the County Clerk and also get his seal on it because New York state will only put an apostille on documents that have been notarized and then that notary has been verified with the signature and seal of the county clerk.
if i had noone at home to help with this i would have to receive the notarized document, mail it to the county clerk, have it mailed back to me a second time, then send it off for apostille and have it mailed back to me a third time...
what in the blazes?!?
also of note, a while back i was corresponding with a private online company that does record checks of a rather thorough nature. they offered certified checks and were completely surprised by the apostille thing... "We do background checks for esl visas all the time and have never encountered a govt. insisting on an apostille! Are you sure about this?" what's wrong with an online certified check Korea?!?!? |
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colewest
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Minor in Possession of Alcohol issue |
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Hello,
I posted this in a separate place but I think this would have been a better spot for it, sorry to clutter things.
I've just signed a contract to teach in Seoul. I need to get my visa paperwork sent off and am waiting on my criminal background check.
It just occurred to me that a MIP I received in Corvallis, Oregon in 2004 might be a problem when trying to get my E2 visa. I was 18 at the time, 22 now, and as far as I know it is still on my record. I haven't received any other tickets.
Does anyone know if this will or will not be a problem? What do they consider a serious enough offense to deny a visa request?
I was not fingerprinted or arrested when given the ticket. The first time my prints were taken was when I needed the card for the CBC.
Thank you for any help. |
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huck
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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I'll re-post here what I posted on the "New E-2 Guidlines" sticky thread:
Well, I've decided to try the online criminal check route suggested by Mr. Lee Dong-wook in his Korea Times op-ed (as noted several times by "Ut videam"...)
Having got my bachelor degree in "paralegal studies" I figured that I'd better go to the U.S. Embassy with a legally sufficient form.
They will give you blanks when you go there (I was approached by someone who showed me his) but after waiting for possibly hours till your number is called you'll just end up with a blank application that you still need to type in...
I drew up my own affidavit form using the model given by the U.S. Embassy in Tokyo (I just substituted "Seoul, Republic of Korea" for "Tokyo, Japan" ...)
To see their form, go to this link and scroll down to "affidavit"
http://tokyo.usembassy.gov/pdfs/wwwfaffidavit.pdf
Don't sign anything before you get there. Below the first signature line, after it says "being duly sworn, deposes and says" I typed the following:
I, Rxxx Jxxxxx, hereby declare under oath that the criminal records check that I am going to submit to Korean Immigration authorities for the purpose of obtaining an E-2 visa is truthful and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
As suggested by an attorney working with the Republic of Korea Ministry of Justice in an article published in the Korea Times, (Mr. Lee Dong-wook, Esq) I used the online services of CriminalBackgroundRecords.com in order to conveniently get a reliable report while living in South Korea.
I ordered the report on January xx xxxx.
My member number is xxxxx, and my order number is xxxxx
Absolutely no changes have been made to the report..
The vice-consul guy (who seems pretty competent in legal matters) just wished me "good luck" - indicating he has no idea if Korean Immigration will accept it.
However, it looks pretty official after they add their cover page with seal, so I'm fairly confident that it will pass (at least for some people some of the time...)
The cost of the online criminal check (which only took a couple minutes) was $59.00 and the affidavit service at the embassy cost $30 (or 28,500 won ...) |
so, you haven't checked yet to see if immigration will accept the notarized online CBC? |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Somebody told me that Mr Lee Dong-wook's proper tittle is the Deputy director of the Ministry of Justice, is this correct? |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| Somebody told me that Mr Lee Dong-wook's proper tittle is the Deputy director of the Ministry of Justice, is this correct? |
That's how he signs his e-mail: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1499843
Mind you, English titles in Korea don't always accurately reflect a person's seniority/level of influence (they sometimes sound loftier than they really are). His Korean title is 사무관 (samugwan), which the Naver dictionary translates as "an administrative official;an assistant;junior official;a grade-5 official." I'm told that a grade 5 official is fairly high.
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
| Somebody told me that Mr Lee Dong-wook's proper tittle is the Deputy director of the Ministry of Justice, is this correct? |
That's how he signs his e-mail: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1499843
Mind you, English titles in Korea don't always accurately reflect a person's seniority/level of influence (they tend to sound loftier than they really are). His Korean title is 사무관 (samugwan), which the Naver dictionary translates as "an administrative official;an assistant;junior official;a grade-5 official." |
I told this by the Irish Ambassador who said that he had met him once, but I wasn't sure if he was the same guy. Anyhow in that case perhaps people should him include Mr Lee's proper title in the affidavit they're submitting.
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| I this by the Irish Ambassador who said that he had met him once, but I wasn't sure if he was the same guy. Anyhow in that case perhaps people should him include Mr Lee's proper title in the affidavit they're submitting. |
Sounds like a very good idea to me. |
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dimnd
Joined: 19 May 2005 Location: Western USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: Korean Immigration |
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[email protected] <[email protected]>
This person's address was listed on Dave's in a post with regard to the person who is supposedly an official at the Ministry...but he never wrote back. |
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moosehead

Joined: 05 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I need a CBC but am in K - I did one online last nite
has anyone here actually used an online CBC and had it notarized here and then submitted it to Kimmi? other than the guy who was just extending his visa and probably didn't need it anyway?
also the criminalbackgroundcheck.com website charges 24.95 - is that the only one they will accept? my state does it for $3 and change - ! |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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cubanlord

Joined: 08 Jul 2005 Location: In Japan!
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
I need a CBC but am in K - I did one online last nite
has anyone here actually used an online CBC and had it notarized here and then submitted it to Kimmi? other than the guy who was just extending his visa and probably didn't need it anyway?
also the criminalbackgroundcheck.com website charges 24.95 - is that the only one they will accept? my state does it for $3 and change - ! |
Your CBC can be from the local police department or the state law enforcement department. Online ones do not count as they are not notarized at the time of print. You will need one notarized, then you will need to send it to get apostilled...etc.... |
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jkelly80

Joined: 13 Jun 2007 Location: you boys like mexico?
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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I got a CRC from the State of Illinois. Paid 30 bucks and got a printout in the mail from what looked like a website, as it had a url in the top and bottom margins. I double checked with the Bureau of Identification and they said that's how it looks.
My recruiter said "we need the original this looks like a copy" and I said "that is the original it just looks like a copy". That was about a week ago, and I applied for and received my visa with no problems. Granted I'm working for SMOE, but I didn't run into any hitches. I'm ready to go. |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| moosehead wrote: |
I need a CBC but am in K - I did one online last nite
has anyone here actually used an online CBC and had it notarized here and then submitted it to Kimmi? other than the guy who was just extending his visa and probably didn't need it anyway?
also the criminalbackgroundcheck.com website charges 24.95 - is that the only one they will accept? my state does it for $3 and change - ! |
Your CBC can be from the local police department or the state law enforcement department. Online ones do not count as they are not notarized at the time of print. You will need one notarized, then you will need to send it to get apostilled...etc.... |
You are correct that online checks, in general, are not acceptable. But back in December, a Korean Immigration official (Lee Dong-wook, Deputy Director) stated in a Korea Times article and in e-mail correspondence that teachers already in Korea could obtain an online background check, which would be acceptable when attached to an affidavit or statutory declaration notarized at the applicant's embassy attesting to the check's authenticity. The official stated that this option would be offered in recognition that applicants already in Korea would have a difficult time obtaining a check from law enforcement and having it apostilled in their home countries. That, I believe, is what moosehead is referring to here. |
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soohak

Joined: 11 Sep 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| Ut videam wrote: |
| You are correct that online checks, in general, are not acceptable. But back in December, a Korean Immigration official (Lee Dong-wook, Deputy Director) stated in a Korea Times article and in e-mail correspondence that teachers already in Korea could obtain an online background check, which would be acceptable when attached to an affidavit or statutory declaration notarized at the applicant's embassy attesting to the check's authenticity. The official stated that this option would be offered in recognition that applicants already in Korea would have a difficult time obtaining a check from law enforcement and having it apostilled in their home countries. That, I believe, is what moosehead is referring to here. |
The director at the hagwon for which I'll be working called Mr. Lee recently. She was told that as of about a month ago, immigration no longer accepts the online CRC with a sworn affidavit. They will accept a local or state-issued check with an affidavit from the embassy, though.
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I have just talked with Mr Lee Dongwook.
He said that it is possible to get the CRC by airmail
from the State Police or the City Police.
And as soon as we get the CRC, the teacher need to go
to the US embassy to pledge. Then we don't need to get
the apostilled stamp from State Department.
Also the on-line process they decided not to accept it
a month ago beacause in the US they have argued about
its credibility. |
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