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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 7:35 am Post subject: |
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I do not think you can simply say there is a problem with the education system or the teachers. I was a teacher in the U.S, and I quickly learned that it was largely due to the politicians and administrators that so many people were uneducated. You cannot blame the American people for that. It is the leadership that does not care if the electorate is educated. Obviously, the leadership could push for more education in America. What is worse than not knowing where Iraq, Saudi Arabia, or Israel are is the amount of people who are functionally illiterate. Frankly, I think if the populace was educated, they would change the structure of government and get more involved, and the elites, I don't think, want that. Sometimes, people make fun of some Americans including other Americans. What is needed is to ensure change happens in the country so people actually become more educated.... Check this article out...
http://www.register-herald.com/features/local_story_095175027.html?keyword=secondarystory
Parents, you really need to read along with your children
Point Blank column
By John Blankenship
Register-Herald reporter
Nearly half of the U.S. population is affected by it.
And we�re not talking about oil company deceit, influenza, AIDS, mental illness, or liberal extremists � we�re talking about illiteracy.
A number of national literacy studies reveal that an estimated 47 percent of the American adult population performs only the simplest reading skills.
Astonishing as this may seem, it�s true.
Fewer than 40 million Americans can complete any challenging literary tasks that require above average reading skills � meaning they can add the total on a bank slip or identify a piece of specific information in a brief news article.
And what�s more, only another 50 million can calculate a total purchase, determine the difference in price between two items and locate a specific point on a map.
Believe it or not, only about 60 million persons in the country can decipher information from long texts or legal documents.
An estimated 25 million Americans cannot read or write at all.
An additional 45 million persons are considered �functionally illiterate� � those without the reading or writing skills to find work. Sadly, the vast majority of Americans do not know they do not have the skills to earn a living in our increasingly technological society, according to a statement released a decade ago by the U.S. Secretary of Education.
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In an historical perspective, this phenomenon does not bode well for America.
Culture and civilization traditionally have flourished or fallen with literacy and a common language.
When common knowledge becomes accessible to all, common values are defined and pursued.
In our post industrial era, most Americans make a living with their heads instead of their hands. Education � not steel, coal or even capital � is the key to our economic future.
It is estimated that each year more than 700,000 high school seniors graduate unable to read their high school diploma. |
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Thiuda

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Religion = Ignorance. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:13 am Post subject: |
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Love to see you win a debate with Thomas Aquinus. Tell you what, YOU write a commentary and translation of aristotle, and then I'll let you know what I think of your mind. |
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Thiuda

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Thiuda wrote: |
| Religion = Ignorance. |
Love to see you win a debate with Thomas Aquinus. Tell you what, YOU write a commentary and translation of aristotle, and then I'll let you know what I think of your mind. |
Thank you for proving my point. It's Aquinas, btw. |
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tombirner
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'm apolitical, and definitely not about to get into a big thing with people on here, but I have to say I'm kind of annoyed at the many subtle jabs at America I come upon abroad. America is great. We have the most influential and beloved culture and political system. We have different landscapes and set the social climate across the globe. I'm not going to say we're the greatest country in the world, because I think that's totally subjective... but it just bugs me how eager people seem to be to come up with reasons for dissing America, which are usually very broad and often unfounded anyway. I grew up in America and I put the land, its society and its people second to none in every measurable way. I think it's common to resent something that clearly stands out, which is why I come across so many people eager to belittle it. Keep dreaming. America is awesome.
A more politically-minded person with more time on their hands probably could have written this better, but here's my two cents. Maybe I should take the time to really read and study the original post and articles and responses... maybe this should be posted as its own subject, but I sense so much anti-American sentiment when traveling, and I guess this will serve as my outlet. |
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Thiuda

Joined: 14 Mar 2006 Location: Religion ist f�r Sklaven geschaffen, f�r Wesen ohne Geist.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| tombirner wrote: |
I'm apolitical, and definitely not about to get into a big thing with people on here, but I have to say I'm kind of annoyed at the many subtle jabs at America I come upon abroad. America is great. We have the most influential and beloved culture and political system. We have different landscapes and set the social climate across the globe. I'm not going to say we're the greatest country in the world, because I think that's totally subjective... but it just bugs me how eager people seem to be to come up with reasons for dissing America, which are usually very broad and often unfounded anyway. I grew up in America and I put the land, its society and its people second to none in every measurable way. I think it's common to resent something that clearly stands out, which is why I come across so many people eager to belittle it. Keep dreaming. America is awesome.
A more politically-minded person with more time on their hands probably could have written this better, but here's my two cents. Maybe I should take the time to really read and study the original post and articles and responses... maybe this should be posted as its own subject, but I sense so much anti-American sentiment when traveling, and I guess this will serve as my outlet. |
The United States is a great nation precisely because of it's ongoing self-criticism. The continued process of critical reflection on the societal ills that plague America, it's position as a dominant global player, and it's successes and failures, are what made the US one of the most just societies, as well as an economic powerhouse and cultural icon. Criticism need not be considered something negative, one can look at it as a chance to improve the way things are at present. Governments and societies that try to suppress criticism are doomed to failure, examples abound: The USSR, East Germany, North Korea, Cuba...etc. The US will always be a great country as long as it allows dissent, when critical voices are silenced the US will fail.
The discussion ongoing in this thread isn't anti-American per se; it's about raising peoples awareness that there are certain societal trends that need to be corrected. In my opinion, the being-ignorant-is-ok sentiment is not unique to US alone, it's prevalent among all people who are dimly aware that they're ignorant, but to lazy to do something about it. Personally, I think there is also a correlation between religiosity and ignorance, hence my previous post. |
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BreakfastInBed

Joined: 16 Oct 2007 Location: Gyeonggi do
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| One of the problems is that street smarts are cool, and formal education is not. These kind of smarts get you paid, get you laid, and get you by, but don't exactly lead to an enlightened worldview. America is still in love with the rough around the edges, self-educated, underdog mythology that served it well through the 2nd world war. Unfortunately that self-image just don't cut it when you're not an underdog anymore. What it manifests itself as now is simply arrogance all too often. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| BreakfastInBed wrote: |
| One of the problems is that street smarts are cool, and formal education is not. These kind of smarts get you paid, get you laid, and get you by, but don't exactly lead to an enlightened worldview. America is still in love with the rough around the edges, self-educated, underdog mythology that served it well through the 2nd world war. Unfortunately that self-image just don't cut it when you're not an underdog anymore. What it manifests itself as now is simply arrogance all too often. |
I think America was largely led by a certain elite. You could see that it in the movies during the old days. Now, the media appeals to the lowest denominator, not the best of America. I don't necessarily think the best of America is necessarily being promoted as much as before. Yes, the creativity is definitely there, the can-do-attitude is there. I wish more people in Korea had some of the planning, can do attitude, and planning that so many people in America had. America definitely has many great things. The question is America doing what made it great in the past or is there more of the basking on some of the former glory? I am not sure exactly. it is hard to say. One reason America outperformed the European countries was because the Europeans were fighting each other, and America was not in conflict as often, and America has a lot more resources. America must have decisive leadership with division to keep the ship on course... That's my take. There is still a lot of potential there and glory... |
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