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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| I definitely agree with you that Americans of this caliber seem to believe that they can tell certain lies or distort the truth for what they believe is some greater truth. They seem to want to do anything to get a republican elected. I hope the new, upcoming generation of GOP members will be less beholden to these types..... The GOP needs more of a secular bent to themselves to become a mainstream conservative party... |
Unfortunate but hardly surprising that you can only see this happening on the Republican side. |
Oh, I don't trust Hillary Clinton. She's a democrat. My issue is mainly with the GOP letting right wing nationalists and the Christian right having too much sway in the party. They need more mainstream elements. I am alarmed at how one side likes to wave the flag a lot. The thread has do with one side using nationalism as a political weapon. It somehow unsettles me. |
The far left isn't any nicer. In fact they even team up sometimes and then there are the sicko combinations of the two. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| If this is the best that right-wing talk radio can come up with as an attack on Obama, we might as well go ahead and hold his inauguration. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Joo Rip, what is your idea of what the far Left is in the democratic party?
Obviously, communists hold no sway. The closest thing I can find to what might be viewed as far Left is Howard Dean. Bernie Sanders is a socialist, so he doesn't count. I might be wrong, but I think the far right has been more powerful in the GOP than the far Left in the democratic party in a long time. The unions, I suppose, you might argue represent the far Left. I suppose you could argue that they are very strong. Anyway, I will hear what you mean by the far Left and how they compare say to the Christian right or the neo-cons or whatever. I am not poking fun, this is not an ego trip.
Still Not King, I do think that using patriotism so easily won't work as you said, because of the "Boy who cried wolf" syndrome. During the war, we heard a silencing of debate with some calling others unpatriotic for dissenting during the war, and then many of those same people started going against the war themselves. I don't think it will be that effective among either democrats or republicans as much as before, because many are weary of such talk. At least, that's my take...
And as Alfred Hitchcock would say "Good night" |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:17 am Post subject: |
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what is your idea of what the far Left is in the democratic party?
Obviously, communists hold no sway. The closest thing I can find to what might be viewed as far Left is Howard Dean. Bernie Sanders is a socialist, so he doesn't count. I might be wrong, but I think the far right has been more powerful in the GOP than the far Left in the democratic party in a long time. The unions, I suppose, you might argue represent the far Left. I suppose you could argue that they are very strong. Anyway, I will hear what you mean by the far Left and how they compare say to the Christian right or the neo-cons or whatever. I am not poking fun, this is not an ego trip. |
Those who support Move On ,Daily Kos & Media matters
They are as far left as Rush Limbaugh is right.
Counterpunch and ANSWER are far more extreme than he is , but they are not with the democratic party so they don't really count.
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Still Not King, I do think that using patriotism so easily won't work as you said, because of the "Boy who cried wolf" syndrome. During the war, we heard a silencing of debate with some calling others unpatriotic for dissenting during the war, and then many of those same people started going against the war themselves. I don't think it will be that effective among either democrats or republicans as much as before, because many are weary of such talk. At least, that's my take...
And as Alfred Hitchcock would say "Good night" |
Most Republicans , Conservatives and / or Neo Conservatives did not engage in such - especially before the war.
Once the war starts there is a change.
While having debate is good it is also a fact that anti war protests give encouragement to the enemy. When some says that they are not trying to stop debate they are simply stating what is true.
It is funny that anti war people don't like it when that point is brought up . And to stop anyone who raises such a point that many of the anti war people accuse anyone who brings up that the enemy enjoys the anti war movement of trying to stop debate.
How about this No one accuses people who oppose the war as unpatriotic just cause they are against the war. Of course there are more than a few who do oppose the war cause they are anti US.
At the same time no one accuse anyone who correctly points out that the anti war movement gives encouragement to the enemy of trying to stop debate.
Not everyone who points out that the enemy does enjoy the anti war movement is trying to stop debate. It is just telling the truth.
For the record here are some of those who support the enemy:
George Galloway
Counterpunch
International Answer
John Pilger.
Nothing wrong with telling the truth about them. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:56 am Post subject: |
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| If this is the best that right-wing talk radio can come up with as an attack on Obama, we might as well go ahead and hold his inauguration. |
Taken together, the series of unsubstantial attacks could well have a bigger effect than expected.
At best he is a well-travelled, open minded idealist with a refreshing lack of patriotic zeal.
At worst he is a closet muslim with a mysterious past in the horn of Africa, who refuses to wear the stars and stripes on his lapelle. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:44 am Post subject: |
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| The unions, I suppose, you might argue represent the far Left. |
Except maybe for the Teamsters who(I seem to recall) endorsed Republican candidates until Clinton came along. And they've now thrown their support to Obama. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| If this is the best that right-wing talk radio can come up with as an attack on Obama, we might as well go ahead and hold his inauguration. |
Taken together, the series of unsubstantial attacks could well have a bigger effect than expected.
At best he is a well-travelled, open minded idealist with a refreshing lack of patriotic zeal.
At worst he is a closet muslim with a mysterious past in the horn of Africa, who refuses to wear the stars and stripes on his lapelle. |
Yeah, but anybody who buys that "at worst" scenario wasn't going to vote for Obama, or any Democrat, in the first place. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| At worst he is a closet muslim with a mysterious past in the horn of Africa, who refuses to wear the stars and stripes on his lapelle. |
How mysterious is his past in the horn of Africa, anyway? I don't think he ever lived there, and in any event, the newspapers have tracked down his relatives in Kenya for interviews. I don't see that there is much being hidden here.
He admits in his book that his father was a polygamist. And it's not like having a monogamous father, or even being monogamous yourself, is a pre-req for getting elected president.
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