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plus99
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Indians/Phillipines Argument |
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Ive been thinking that the people here have been way too cavalier about this possible new influx of indians and phillipinos, that this is a much bigger deal, and that if these teachers dont replace us completely, they will at least drive wages down enough to remove the korean attraction for most of us.
but today my school took me to get my picture taken so they could put it in an advertisement. im a white american so i think the implication here is obvious.
just some anecdotal evidence against people like me who think south korea's ESL days are numbered... |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to bed now, but if you want, I'll find and once again post the taxi cab ads I see which tout a phone English hagwon using true native speakers of English, and not SE Asians. It's all in Korean, and I've posted it before.
There is also that little problem that filipinos are now being told they will have to pay their own gov't $5,000 for their overseas work.
Can you imagine a filipino coming here, being screwed-over by a hagwon boss and under the new visa rules, being forced to return home to the Phillipines, where they will face a $5,000 charge for their failed overseas work attempt?
Can't work in Korea for another year. Can't get back home without paying $5,000.
Sounds really great for them, eh? |
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sargx
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the students would drive the Indians and Filipinos insane. I don't think they'll get the same level of respect as white foreign devils. At least on the public school level. |
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nomad-ish
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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while i think some hagwons and public schools will hire them, i think many will want and pay more for someone from 1 of the 7 countries. in korea, it's ALL about appearances, status.
if hagwon A has a white american teaching the kids (maybe he sucks at it, but hell, he's white) and costs more than hagwon B where an indian or filipino teacher (could be a great teacher) is teaching, which school do you think most of the parents are going to choose? |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I used to work in a town where it was popular for hokwons to have their foreign teachers' faces photoed and then painted onto their school buses. I doubt that they were updated when they had new teachers, but there were quite a few buses rolling around with foreigners pictures plastered all over for the town to see. Some of the buses even had the university that the foreigner went to, written underneath the picture along with the type of degree earned. |
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Juregen
Joined: 30 May 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| nomad-ish wrote: |
while i think some hagwons and public schools will hire them, i think many will want and pay more for someone from 1 of the 7 countries. in korea, it's ALL about appearances, status.
if hagwon A has a white american teaching the kids (maybe he sucks at it, but hell, he's white) and costs more than hagwon B where an indian or filipino teacher (could be a great teacher) is teaching, which school do you think most of the parents are going to choose? |
Appearance is indeed a great deal of the business. If they think you don't make money, they will leave you.
Now the Koreans don't care whether you are "native" or not, I know, since I am not from the 7 countries. What they do want to see is a Caucasian face, and hear an English that does not have a strong accent in it. Although a little accent is preferred.
They don't only use the hagwon for learning a language, and boasting about it with their friends, its also an avenue to come into contact with Western Culture. I am pretty sure that, due to the fact that I behave more gentlemanlike then the average Korean man, they appreciate my behavior. Some mother also hope that I can influence their children to behave in a more civilized manner.
Its a complex business where one has to tread carefully, if one operates it as their own business. In many ways, teaching is the easy part of the job. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| sargx wrote: |
| I think the students would drive the Indians and Filipinos insane. I don't think they'll get the same level of respect as white foreign devils. At least on the public school level. |
I doubt Koreans would want a bunch of Phillipinos to come and teach them in Korea, when they could go to the Phillipines and save money and enjoy sunny weather and eat Korean food in the Phillipines. Many of the people who teach English and are from the Phillipines are divorced women who were married to Koreans and can legaly work here without a problem. There are Phillipinos who work here. Some of them are all right, but, generally, they are not as good as native speakers. Maybe, if you go the Phillipines and go to some special academies over there, you can be taught be well-to-do people from that country who are quite educated. There is also a lot of prejudice against people from that country even worse than that directed toward Caucasians. I have only met one Korean who said something nice about the Phillipines. |
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plus99
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
I doubt Koreans would want a bunch of Phillipinos to come and teach them in Korea |
India is much more the issue. There are a billion people there. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| plus99 wrote: |
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I doubt Koreans would want a bunch of Phillipinos to come and teach them in Korea |
India is much more the issue. There are a billion people there. |
And they are far more difficult to understand.
They do tend to learn Korean much more easily, which is a plus for them.
I'm not worried about it.. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| plus99 wrote: |
| Adventurer wrote: |
I doubt Koreans would want a bunch of Phillipinos to come and teach them in Korea |
India is much more the issue. There are a billion people there. |
And they are far more difficult to understand.
They do tend to learn Korean much more easily, which is a plus for them.
I'm not worried about it.. |
I think the Indians and Phillipinos would put up with the visa nonsense more than we would, because they have a much higher unemployment, but if a Canadian, American, or British person finds the process taking too long, they may inform the Korean would be employer that they found another job. That could happen. |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I teach with a couple of Phillipinos and they speak with an accent that is very easy to understand. Also, they are more than happy to be teaching here as they both told me they are making 2x their old salary. One last point, the students love them |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| meangradin wrote: |
| I teach with a couple of Phillipinos and they speak with an accent that is very easy to understand. Also, they are more than happy to be teaching here as they both told me they are making 2x their old salary. One last point, the students love them |
And they are legal E-2s who didn't get any education overseas?
Anyway, I think we can forget about a mass influx of filipinos anytime soon:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=114669&highlight=filipino |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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"And they are legal E-2s who didn't get any education overseas?"
They are both married to Koreans, so they have F visas. Funny enough, bith have BSc's in Nursing.
Actually, one of them just applied for a hagwon job and walked in and 'demanded" 2.7 a month, with 24 days off/year and a 27pyong apartment. LOL! She did not get the job. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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The phils. are in a big crunch right now, as nurses run for overseas jobs.
What do your friends think about the $5,000 charge for filipinos working overseas? It won't be an issue for your friends, but it certainly will be for anyone coming here to work.
How long will it take a filipino worker to save $5,000 at 1.1 million per month in a hagwon? |
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meangradin
Joined: 10 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:10 am Post subject: |
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| This is the first I 've heard of this, but as they are married to Koreans, I suspect they are never going back to live. |
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