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cedarseoul



Joined: 16 Feb 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:06 am    Post subject: Americans: Filing State Tax (?) Reply with quote

Hi - I'm a new member, though I've been stalking religiously since I arrived in Seoul early last summer. Smile

I have an American tax-related question I haven't seen answered on these forums, though it's possible I've overlooked it...

I'm aware of the Form 2555 foreign earned income exemption for federal tax which is lauded by all the recruiters, etc. However, I'm wondering about state tax. My wife and I both worked in the States in early 2007 before moving to Seoul, so we need to file state forms. My domicile was/is Michigan, and in Michigan state tax is based off of the adjusted gross income on the 1040, so that will automatically exclude my Korean income...but my wife is domiciled in Pennsylvania, and their state form is set up differently. On face, it looks like I'm technically supposed to include her foreign income along with Stateside income - which I'm not too keen to do, since it will cost me hundreds in state tax.

Has anyone dealt with a situation like this? What do you Americans do when it comes time to file state taxes? Am I missing something here, or do I simply need to suck it up and pay the tax?

I'd appreciate any insight, or links to relevant info...thanks!
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some states (I think for sure off the top of my head CA, VA, and NM are included in "some states") make you pay state income tax on foreign earned income. Not sure about Pennsylvania.

Since she's your WIFE, why can't she claim Michigan as her place of residence?
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cedarseoul



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

that would make sense, right? but since we left for korea almost immediately after marrying, and since she made no attempt to change her domicile to michigan (no driver license application, no voter reg change, and obviously no property) i'm pretty sure she's still a PA resident.

eh - it's not that much money; we'll cope. Smile
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cedarseoul wrote:
that would make sense, right? but since we left for korea almost immediately after marrying, and since she made no attempt to change her domicile to michigan (no driver license application, no voter reg change, and obviously no property) i'm pretty sure she's still a PA resident.

eh - it's not that much money; we'll cope. Smile


I didn't change my license or my voter registration, only my address, and I changed from GA to MN. Now my GA license is expired, so I'm not worried. I would check with a tax professional...she's your wife, so she should be able to claim your household as hers.
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Fresh Prince



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a little bit about taxes in the U.S. but this goes way over my head. I'm sure a tax professional would know about things like this though.

I know that a lot of states that tax foreign income also abide by the foreign income exclusion, so if you didn't need to pay federal taxes, then you wouldn't need to pay state taxes. Can't say whether that would apply to you or not though.
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tommy1



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: tax help Reply with quote

My question is a little different, but maybe you could, please, point me in the right direction. I am also from Michigan and I arrived in Seoul mid-summer 2007. I need some tax help, too.

In the past, paying the taxman was relatively easy, but now I am separated from my tax papers, as I also worked in 2007. Ordinarily, I would've just brought all my tax stuff to a tax professional, but now I am unsure what to do, because all of my paperwork is in the states.

Any help would be appreciated...good luck solving your tax dilemma. All apologies for the thread highjacking.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: tax help Reply with quote

tommy1 wrote:
My question is a little different, but maybe you could, please, point me in the right direction. I am also from Michigan and I arrived in Seoul mid-summer 2007. I need some tax help, too.

In the past, paying the taxman was relatively easy, but now I am separated from my tax papers, as I also worked in 2007. Ordinarily, I would've just brought all my tax stuff to a tax professional, but now I am unsure what to do, because all of my paperwork is in the states.

Any help would be appreciated...good luck solving your tax dilemma. All apologies for the thread highjacking.


You can't get anyone to send you your papers?
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jaykimf



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cedarseoul wrote:
that would make sense, right? but since we left for korea almost immediately after marrying, and since she made no attempt to change her domicile to michigan (no driver license application, no voter reg change, and obviously no property) i'm pretty sure she's still a PA resident.

eh - it's not that much money; we'll cope. Smile

Well, since she is living in Korea, wouldn't she be a Korean resident? I think most states have special provisions and forms for part year residents. Look through the instructions for PA's part year residents forms and see what they say. I don't see why she would have to be a PA resident if she is no longer a PA resident.
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PGF



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cedarsoul,

go to the US embassy when the IRS (feds) are there to help us (April). The IRS will file your state taxes electronically and for free at the same time you do you fed taxes.

The only exception is if you haven't filed state for several years.....
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santafly



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

State income tax is paid in the state in which income is accrued, not the one in which you reside.

For my last 4 years of returns I have been a resident of New Mexico but worked in both Colorado and Utah each year and never in NM. I had to file state taxes for Colorado and Utah but not NM.

Based on this you wouldn't pay any state income tax on your Korean income. I could be wrong though - anything is possible.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

santafly wrote:

Based on this you wouldn't pay any state income tax on your Korean income. I could be wrong though - anything is possible.


You're wrong. CA, NM, and VA (last I heard, and possibly more) go after income earned abroad.
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KYC



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm also from Michigan and I came to Korea August 2007. Suppose I have someone forward my documents to Korea, how can I file my taxes? There was one year I did it myself...but I don't really trust myself.

Any advice??
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tired of LA



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atavistic wrote:
santafly wrote:

Based on this you wouldn't pay any state income tax on your Korean income. I could be wrong though - anything is possible.


You're wrong. CA, NM, and VA (last I heard, and possibly more) go after income earned abroad.


I'm not sure if i filed by taxes correctly. but i used taxact and i didn't pay taxes on what i earned in korea, only what i earned in california before coming to korea last year.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To back up what I'm saying:

http://www.therealcostarica.com/living_in_costa_rica/paying_us_taxes_expatriate.html

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Do not assume just because you moved out of the U.S. that your previous state of residence has no claim on taxing your income. Many states such as California, Virginia, New Mexico and South Carolina make it very difficult to give up your "tax domicile" in the state and require that you file state income tax returns (and pay the tax) even if you do not move back until years later. Some of the criteria that a state looks at to determine if you are a resident for state income tax purposes includes your driver license, if you register to vote there, if you maintain an address there, the location of your bank accounts, if you own or rent real property there, the license plates on your cars, and if you still receive utility bills in that state. There are many other factors used by state taxing agencies to determine if you are a resident, but they are too numerous to mention here. You must be careful to reduce or eliminate all indices of residency or your previous state of residency in the U.S. will come after you for state income taxes. You must carefully plan your departure from your previous home state both reviewing the laws and taking the actual steps necessary to prove to that state you no longer have a "tax domicile" there after you move abroad. If you do not, the taxes, penalties and interest later assessed by that state can be huge.
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Atavistic



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tired of LA wrote:
Atavistic wrote:
santafly wrote:

Based on this you wouldn't pay any state income tax on your Korean income. I could be wrong though - anything is possible.


You're wrong. CA, NM, and VA (last I heard, and possibly more) go after income earned abroad.


I'm not sure if i filed by taxes correctly. but i used taxact and i didn't pay taxes on what i earned in korea, only what i earned in california before coming to korea last year.


I'll self-edit: CAN go after you.
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