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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: Sounds like someone tried to smoke on NW Flight 19 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,332615,00.html
I bet someone tried to light-up in the restroom. I've taken that flight before. Sometimes it comes to Korea.
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Northwest Airlines Plane Makes Emergency Landing in Tokyo After Burning Odor Detected
Tuesday, February 26, 2008
TOKYO � A Northwest Airlines flight made an emergency landing at Tokyo's main airport Tuesday after a burning smell was detected inside the cabin, officials said.
No injuries were reported, and police said no crime was suspected.
NW Flight 19, carrying 403 passengers and crew members, landed safely at Narita International Airport about half an hour after taking off from the airport for the Philippine capital of Manila, according to airport police and airline officials.
Airport police spokesman Hitoshi Yanagida said the pilot requested an emergency landing because of a possible fire inside the cabin after crew members reported the smell of something burning near the lavatories.
However, investigators who boarded the Boeing 747-400 found no trace of fire or smoke, Yanagida said.
The cause of the odor was under investigation, he said.
Airport spokesman Masaru Motoyama initially reported there was smoke inside the cabin.
Airline spokeswoman Hiroko Tanaka said all passengers would fly to Manila on another plane later Tuesday. |
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idonojacs
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, you think so?
I'm glad you're not going to be the one flying my plane.
Try doing a search for the following terms:
Swissair Flight 111 mpet insulation
Of course, among the things that will pop up will be the wikipedia article, along with lots of technical stuff and news reports, including from the BBC.
But make sure you read the PBS Nova transcript -- not just bassexpander; everyone who flies should read this webpage:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3105_aircrash.html
Here's a tiny excerpt:
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NARRATOR: They were faced with the question, "How could smoke in the cockpit lead to the crash of such a massive plane?"
DAVID EVANS (Editor-In-Chief, Air Safety Week): The legacy of this accident is enormous, because we have airplanes diverting and making unscheduled landings at the rate of about one a day, worldwide, for in-flight smoke events. If the cabin of a modern jetliner was a restaurant, it would not get an occupancy permit. |
Unless it has been replaced, the insulation material designed to protect against fires used on older planes is so incredibly defective that if any smoke is ever detected and no cause is found, they have to do an emergency landing.
Note: the GD beep in the quote is the word c0ckpit. Why the *beep* would the site censor the word cockpit?
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| idonojacs wrote: |
Oh, you think so?
I'm glad you're not going to be the one flying my plane.
Try doing a search for the following terms:
Swissair Flight 111 mpet insulation
Of course, among the things that will pop up will be the wikipedia article, along with lots of technical stuff and news reports, including from the BBC.
But make sure you read the PBS Nova transcript -- not just bassexpander; everyone who flies should read this webpage:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3105_aircrash.html
Here's a tiny excerpt:
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NARRATOR: They were faced with the question, "How could smoke in the *beep* lead to the crash of such a massive plane?"
DAVID EVANS (Editor-In-Chief, Air Safety Week): The legacy of this accident is enormous, because we have airplanes diverting and making unscheduled landings at the rate of about one a day, worldwide, for in-flight smoke events. If the cabin of a modern jetliner was a restaurant, it would not get an occupancy permit. |
Unless it has been replaced, the insulation material designed to protect against fires used on older planes is so incredibly defective that if any smoke is ever detected and no cause is found, they have to do an emergency landing. |
Too much coffee? Your response is quite aggressive to the OP. |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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One tiny cup, thank you.
Did you bother reading any of the material about Swissair 111 before commenting?
This design defect puts all our lives at risk - unless you are a long distance swimmer.
The investigation by the Canadian Transportation Safety Board was incredible. It took four and a half years and cost $39 million. They essentially reconstructed the entire plane from even the tiniest pieces collected from the ocean floor.
Here's another chilling fact from the Nova episode:
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NARRATOR: From the cockpit voice recorder, the T.S.B. knows that the pilots smelled smoke, and then it went away. They also know that no one in the passenger cabin detected any....
But because the recirculation fans are doing their job, there can be smoke in the attic of the cabin without passengers smelling it. And worse, fire can be raging above without anybody knowing. |
The plane did not have enough properly placed smoke detectors.
So if you are a passenger and smell smoke, you should tell a flight attendant immediately. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Damn I'm taking a NW flight from Tokyo to Detroit on a 747 this Monday. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| idonojacs wrote: |
One tiny cup, thank you.
Did you bother reading any of the material about Swissair 111 before commenting?
This design defect puts all our lives at risk - unless you are a long distance swimmer.
The investigation by the Canadian Transportation Safety Board was incredible. It took four and a half years and cost $39 million. They essentially reconstructed the entire plane from even the tiniest pieces collected from the ocean floor.
Here's another chilling fact from the Nova episode:
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NARRATOR: From the *beep* voice recorder, the T.S.B. knows that the pilots smelled smoke, and then it went away. They also know that no one in the passenger cabin detected any....
But because the recirculation fans are doing their job, there can be smoke in the attic of the cabin without passengers smelling it. And worse, fire can be raging above without anybody knowing. |
The plane did not have enough properly placed smoke detectors.
So if you are a passenger and smell smoke, you should tell a flight attendant immediately. |
Yes, I read it. I found it informative. I still think you were way too aggressive with the OP in your first post. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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I read his article, and I don't get what I even said to upset him????
Could someone please explain?
Do you have a CELTA or something?  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
I read his article, and I don't get what I even said to upset him????
Could someone please explain?
Do you have a CELTA or something? |
Ha. Yeah the dude needs to seriously chill out. |
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Fresh Prince
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| When I flew KA domestic there were guys smoking in the bathroom, nobody seemed to mind. You could tell it was from cigarettes though since it had that tobacco order. |
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santafly
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 1:37 am Post subject: |
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| I was on this domestic flight in China from the middle of nowhere to some other place. The flight was just over an hour and the guy next to me smoked approximately three packs of cigarettes. About half way through the flight smoked started pouring out of the floor. The stewardess came by and said "don't worry, it's just steam" |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Ahhhh! What happened to the good old days when smoking was allowed on all flights? I was like 10 years old and choking, and it wasn't because of the cr@ppy airliner food. |
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Cheonmunka
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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Within one second of lighting up an ear piercing alarm sounds within those 747 lavatories. I'm not kidding, it's impossible for someone to take one drag. I imagine warning lights would also go off on the flight deck.
I'm very surprised the smoke wasn't detected - likely a mechanical fault. |
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mindmetoo
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| Ahhhh! What happened to the good old days when smoking was allowed on all flights? I was like 10 years old and choking, and it wasn't because of the cr@ppy airliner food. |
Yeah I remember the little glass walls between the smoking and non smoking section. Like that helped. Or people smoking in offices. Geez. I can't imagine going back to those days. Smoke gives me a freakin' headache. |
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