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catman

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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: Russian neo-nazis attacking Asians |
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Right wing extemists in Russia have made a video glorifying their attacks on minorities. Appear to be exclusively Asians here.
warning - some images are nasty.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=187f699ac9&p=1 |
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endo

Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Location: Seoul...my home
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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For all the pregiduce and racism some foreigners feel here, let's be real, it doesn't even compare to the levels for some minorities in Europe and Notth America. |
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PigeonFart
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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disgraceful behavior. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Are they Chechen or Asian?
That is the first question to ask, when deconstructing this film.
Few Chechens would identify as "big A" Asians (just as equally few would identify as "big R" Russians).
So consider the possibility that it could indeed be a Chechen propaganda clip, used to highlight Russian nationalism in its most violent form against their relatively small islamic minority.
The jeans wearing skinheads may be totally wrong and discredited in their tactics, but politically the validity of their argument in opposing Chechen independence (which is the heart of this issue) is indeed a legitimately held view of the overwhelming majority of Russians. |
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safeblad
Joined: 17 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
Are they Chechen or Asian?
That is the first question to ask, when deconstructing this film.
Few Chechens would identify as "big A" Asians (just as equally few would identify as "big R" Russians).
So consider the possibility that it could indeed be a Chechen propaganda clip, used to highlight Russian nationalism in its most violent form against their relatively small islamic minority.
The jeans wearing skinheads may be totally wrong and discredited in their tactics, but politically the validity of their argument in opposing Chechen independence (which is the heart of this issue) is indeed a legitimately held view of the overwhelming majority of Russians. |
disagree. but didnt bother watching the film
Its not surprising that this sort of violence occurs in a country where state sanctioned violence is rife. Putin has his own version of the Hitler youth running round killing journalists and beating political opponents.
the angry dissenfrachised young men made by the fall of the USSR were always going to do shit like this but the situation in Russia really doesnt help matters. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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been there..done that...er not that I was a skinhead, but russian neo-nazi gangs are the scariest people in the world. They kill people for fun. And they mutiliate the dead bodies sometimes. They had a huge role in showing me russia was messed up and the fact the govt. doesn't move against them is even more telling.
-trust me, the chechenya issue is a big one with massive human rights abuses on both sides but even so, the attitude most russian have towards central asian and trans cauces(look I can't spell the word) people is nothing shorty of scary. In one class the students openly refered to Azeris as Trash. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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On principle, I will never watch any video made by Russian skinheads (unless it's a ska band).
I've chatted to a few Russian skinheads before from both sides of the spectrum. The racists are some of the dumbest mutherfockers on the planet, and the anti-racists are pretty well organised and fight them at every opportunity. It's very common for a show to get smashed or for someone to get stabbed. One of my friends managed to steal the banner of one organisation from one of their shows. It's really not like being a skinhead anywhere else in the world; the racists vastly outnumber the non- and anti-racists. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
Are they Chechen or Asian?
That is the first question to ask, when deconstructing this film.
Few Chechens would identify as "big A" Asians (just as equally few would identify as "big R" Russians).
So consider the possibility that it could indeed be a Chechen propaganda clip, used to highlight Russian nationalism in its most violent form against their relatively small islamic minority.
The jeans wearing skinheads may be totally wrong and discredited in their tactics, but politically the validity of their argument in opposing Chechen independence (which is the heart of this issue) is indeed a legitimately held view of the overwhelming majority of Russians. |
They were attacking people of color. Period. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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what's really interesting about racist skinheads is that, despite their bluster, they have yet to bring about that racial holy war they've been ranting about since that time when dumb people rediscovered hitler.
seriously - with organizational skills like that we're generally safe except for the random attacks of a few pathetic street gangs. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Hi - I'll elaborate more but I'm on the side of the Russians. More power to them and if I could buy them lunch I would.
The beatings are an appropriate response to the illegal immigration, asylum abuse and immigration abuse and blackmail and extortion via multiculturalism. Again, more power to them. I wish them the best.
Not withstanding I owe much to the Koreans but not to "Asians" but theres problems with exactly what I do owe to the Koreans.
I have many points to make but I have work to do before the sun sets. If you want to hear them, make it known. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Tony_Balony wrote: |
The beatings are an appropriate response to the illegal immigration, asylum abuse and immigration abuse and blackmail and extortion via multiculturalism. Again, more power to them. I wish them the best.
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which leads me to wonder what you're going to say the next time a racist ajosshi arbitrarily decides that you're the source of the perceived immigration abuses in korea and starts slapping you randomly.
no excuse for violence. it's a bankrupt form of communication. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Is there anyone left that believes Tony_Balony is a real person who's being honest about his beliefs?
The guy just sided with Russian neo-Nazis who are beating people up and posting videos online. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Tony_Balony wrote: |
The beatings are an appropriate response to the illegal immigration, asylum abuse and immigration abuse and blackmail and extortion via multiculturalism. Again, more power to them. I wish them the best.
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Appropriate my @ss. How do they know who's there legally and illegal. I'm sure some of those guys that were beaten in the video are in Russia legally and some may even be citizens. You do know that Russia extends far into East Asia and that many of the Asian looking Russians ancestral lands are in Russia. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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no excuse for violence. it's a bankrupt form of communication. |
Illegal immigration, anchor babies and asylum abuse are acts of violence.
I'd welcome a racist attack in that it would provide me an incentive to leave.
Go ahead ajosshi, make my day. |
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Tony_Balony

Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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Hi I'm back and ready for a fight. I'm a nativist, racialist, a racial realist, a xenophobe and when justified, a white supremacist. I'll answer your questions or give you the big picture if thats what you want.
On this issue, mentioned above, I'm familiar with ebough Russian history to know that east of the Urals was conquered by Russia and this land was populated by Asian looking people. I'm also familiar with illegal immigration from Asia to the west. The young men in the video were reacting to that. If that condition were not real, this incident would not have happened. Its unfortunate that an innocent may have been hurt, however The Russians are the defenders. They are moral as long the abuse exists from the other side.
You should know that that behavior and abuse cannot continue indefinitely.
I'm White and I dearly love the peace cause by ethnic homogeneity. I'm looking for a White place to settle and go evac to to be safe and it looks like St Pete will be that place and it appears that virulent measures will be needed to keep St Pete ethnically homgeneic . So, so be it and more power to the Russians. |
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