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panthermodern
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
Location: Taxronto
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 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:14 am Post subject: "Korea" smells bad ... the other shoe foot |
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VANCOUVER (CP) - The ripe stench of human excrement is getting stronger in downtown lanes, curling the stomachs of workers who no longer want to relax by the back door for smoke breaks.
AMY CARMICHAEL
"We're getting to the point where the need for public toilets is getting serious," said Charles Gauthier, executive director of the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association.
"There's a burgeoning entertainment district, a growing homelessness problem and people have nowhere to go.
"I've been with the association for 15 years and it's just becoming more and more of an issue for more of our members. The stench of urine and feces in back lanes in the central business district and the Downtown Eastside, where it's probably a lot worse."
The 10-block city slum is swollen with up to 5,000 injection drug users who have less control of their bowels. Many are homeless and have nowhere to go to the toilet.
Often the drug users roam out of the neighbourhood into alleys linking downtown businesses.
Gauthier said his members don't want to clean up the piles excrement the homeless make on their properties and he doesn't blame them.
The Vancouver Coastal Health Authority has gotten involved and is calling for action before disease spreads.
"Defecating and urinating in the street is not something that's healthy for individuals," said Richard Taki, public health protection officer for the authority.
"A number of diseases are passed through the fecal-oral route. If people are tracking this bacteria into eating establishments and public facilities we're running the risk of a problem with rodents and insects carrying bacteria.
"Salmonella is the obvious threat and for a lot of the homeless people who are imunocompromised, food poisoning is going to be serious."
He said a solution, likely portable public toilets, is imminent.
"It's going to be sooner rather than later, it's something we're going ahead with."
City planners met with the business association Wednesday to tell them a range of options will have to be discussed.
"There's a considerable cost involved. In the Downtown Eastside we're going to need a supervised bank of toilets and that's going to cost in excess of $5,000 a month," said Bob Ross, a city engineer working on the issue.
Open urinals are also in the mix of strategies being considered.
"I'm not sure our culture is ready for that. It seems to me it's an undignified and humiliating way of dealing with the problem, but one that also seems to be working in parts of England and Amsterdam," Ross said.
There are logistical and financing challenges in the way of cleaning back lanes.
But the city, the health authority and the business association are all in agreement that something has to be done now.
"It's awful for residents who have to deal with the smell wafting in through their windows and it's just getting so much worse," said Ross.
Stakeholders have been discussing for years a plan to put self-cleaning, automated public toilets in the downtown, but have been afraid that they would be used for prostitution and to shoot drugs.
The city has a contract with a street furniture company to provide six of the units and just has to decide if they are something the community would respect and where to put them.
"There have been problems with illegal activity happening in the toilets in other cities, like Seattle and San Francisco," said Gauthier.
"But now I think we've come to a point in Vancouver where we have to act. The public need far outweighs those concerns. These units are going to be automated and will have a time limit on them. And really, people are going shoot drugs wherever they want."
Vancouver city council has turned to other Canadian municipalities for guidance, but so far nobody has come up with a solution, said Ross.
Vancouver is set to commission a study to map the size of the problem and is considering spending more money on maintaining public toilets in the downtown entertainment and business districts.
More funding is needed for permanent public washrooms in the Downtown Eastside slum where thousands of homeless drug users have long used alleys as toilets.
Kim Kerr, general manager of the Downtown Eastside Resident's Association, said he is disgusted with the plan.
"This is a ghetto where people are turned out to rot, we're talking about adults with the mental capabilities of 10-year-olds who are addicted to drugs. They have no home, they have no toilet. What do you expect," Kerr said.
"We are worrying about the mess of piss in the street while homeless people are dying. Let's spend the money on toilets on houses. We treat human beings in this city with less concern than we show animals." |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:55 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting how the article highlights the priorities. Maybe it's just me, and I'm certainly no fan of stinkiness, but if the problem is 5000 or so homeless addicts odor would be lower on my list of worries. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Yes, Korea smells bad.
Koreans cannot be trusted to navigate oil tankers and need a series of checks. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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it's a wakeup call that vancouver is attempting to address in its clumsy "free market first, but please do your best to continue thinking we're left-wing" way.
which means it'll take about 10 years. and then 2 years after the 10 years, there'll be a scandal about it and people will end up apologizing on TV. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| So we've sent people to the moon but we can't figure out how to keep people from crapping in the streets? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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"PLEASE DON'T CRAP IN THE STREET!"
There that should do it. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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Wouldn't want to impose on their human rights I guess.
Need the old work farms of Dickensian times, perhaps. |
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uberscheisse
Joined: 02 Dec 2003
Location: japan is better than korea.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:37 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| So we've sent people to the moon but we can't figure out how to keep people from crapping in the streets? |
the article said "vancouver". the land where people are not generally known for their smarts when dealing with stuff. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: "Korea" smells bad ... the other shoe foot |
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VANCOUVER (CP) - The ripe stench of human excrement is getting stronger in downtown lanes, curling the stomachs of workers who no longer want to relax by the back door for smoke breaks.
AMY CARMICHAEL
"We're getting to the point where the need for public toilets is getting serious," said Charles Gauthier, executive director of the Downtown Vancouver Business Improvement Association.
"There's a burgeoning entertainment district, a growing homelessness problem and people have nowhere to go.
"I've been with the association for 15 years and it's just becoming more and more of an issue for more of our members. The stench of urine and feces in back lanes in the central business district and the Downtown Eastside, where it's probably a lot worse."
The 10-block city slum is swollen with up to 5,000 injection drug users who have less control of their bowels. Many are homeless and have nowhere to go to the toilet.
Often the drug users roam out of the neighbourhood into alleys linking downtown businesses.
Gauthier said his members don't want to clean up the piles excrement the homeless make on their properties and he doesn't blame them.
The Vancouver Coastal Health Authority has gotten involved and is calling for action before disease spreads.
"Defecating and urinating in the street is not something that's healthy for individuals," said Richard Taki, public health protection officer for the authority.
"A number of diseases are passed through the fecal-oral route. If people are tracking this bacteria into eating establishments and public facilities we're running the risk of a problem with rodents and insects carrying bacteria.
"Salmonella is the obvious threat and for a lot of the homeless people who are imunocompromised, food poisoning is going to be serious."
He said a solution, likely portable public toilets, is imminent.
"It's going to be sooner rather than later, it's something we're going ahead with."
City planners met with the business association Wednesday to tell them a range of options will have to be discussed.
"There's a considerable cost involved. In the Downtown Eastside we're going to need a supervised bank of toilets and that's going to cost in excess of $5,000 a month," said Bob Ross, a city engineer working on the issue.
Open urinals are also in the mix of strategies being considered.
"I'm not sure our culture is ready for that. It seems to me it's an undignified and humiliating way of dealing with the problem, but one that also seems to be working in parts of England and Amsterdam," Ross said.
There are logistical and financing challenges in the way of cleaning back lanes.
But the city, the health authority and the business association are all in agreement that something has to be done now.
"It's awful for residents who have to deal with the smell wafting in through their windows and it's just getting so much worse," said Ross.
Stakeholders have been discussing for years a plan to put self-cleaning, automated public toilets in the downtown, but have been afraid that they would be used for prostitution and to shoot drugs.
The city has a contract with a street furniture company to provide six of the units and just has to decide if they are something the community would respect and where to put them.
"There have been problems with illegal activity happening in the toilets in other cities, like Seattle and San Francisco," said Gauthier.
"But now I think we've come to a point in Vancouver where we have to act. The public need far outweighs those concerns. These units are going to be automated and will have a time limit on them. And really, people are going shoot drugs wherever they want."
Vancouver city council has turned to other Canadian municipalities for guidance, but so far nobody has come up with a solution, said Ross.
Vancouver is set to commission a study to map the size of the problem and is considering spending more money on maintaining public toilets in the downtown entertainment and business districts.
More funding is needed for permanent public washrooms in the Downtown Eastside slum where thousands of homeless drug users have long used alleys as toilets.
Kim Kerr, general manager of the Downtown Eastside Resident's Association, said he is disgusted with the plan.
"This is a ghetto where people are turned out to rot, we're talking about adults with the mental capabilities of 10-year-olds who are addicted to drugs. They have no home, they have no toilet. What do you expect," Kerr said.
"We are worrying about the mess of piss in the street while homeless people are dying. Let's spend the money on toilets on houses. We treat human beings in this city with less concern than we show animals." |
http://news.sympatico.msn.ca/OddNews/ContentPosting.aspx?contentid=7c2f83cf51064cce87e63aee9ce115fa&show=False&number=0&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc |
All I gotta say to this author is "Paragraphs, please."
"Pretty please?" |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Is "curling stomachs" a common phrase? I've heard of a "blood-curdling" scream, but never a "stomach-curling" odor. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| crusher-of-heads: you bored? What's with all the necromancy? Let dead threads rest in peace. |
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