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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Clinton spin: Obama needs to sweep Mar 4 Reply with quote

February 29, 2008
Clinton campaign: Obama needs to sweep March 4
Posted: 11:00 AM ET

The Clinton campaign says Obama needs to win big on March 4, or else he has a problem.
(CNN) � Seeking to raise the expectations for its rival, Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign said Friday that Sen. Barack Obama needs to sweep the March 4 primaries.

The Illinois senator should win all four states � Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Vermont � decisively, given the amount of money and resources he has devoted to them, the Clinton campaign said in a memo circulated to reporters.

"If he fails to garner big wins, there's a problem," the memo states.

"The Obama campaign and its allies are outspending us two to one in paid media and have sent more staff into the March 4 states. In fact, when all is totaled, Senator Obama and his allies have outspent Senator Clinton by a margin of $18.4 million to $9.2 million on advertising in the four states that are voting next Tuesday."

"Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states," the memo continues. "He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and - of course - making speeches."

The memo came out moments after Obama campaign manager David Plouffe finished a conference call with reporters, during which he said the New York senator needs big victories in Texas and Ohio Tuesday if she hopes to chip away at Obama's now 153 pledged delegate lead � according to CNN's latest estimate.

"The Clinton campaign needs to begin wining big states by big margins to have any hope of eliminating this delegate lead they are facing," he said.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

how many in a row has clinton lost? one would think she should be analyzing her problems instead of creating "ifs" for her rival.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mistermasan wrote:
how many in a row has clinton lost? one would think she should be analyzing her problems instead of creating "ifs" for her rival.


MM,

For once I totally agree with you. You hit the nail on the head. I've been saying that for quite a few weeks.

In fact, here is what I said in another thread a few mintues ago:

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Yes, there are going to be a lot of pissed off people because Clinton lost the race. However, maybe those people should keep in mind Clinton had an advantage in name recognition, resources, campaign staff, etc set up before the primaries took place. It was her campaign plan that was faulty, that's not Obama's fault. She (and her campaign) made consistently bad choices in terms of how and where they were going to campaign.

A few examples:

-The pissoff 40 state strategy-By saying caucus states, smaller states and red states don't matter, she alienates voters.

-The stupid stuff-Accusations of plagiarism, calling Obama's supporters a cult (although this likely came directly from Clinton supporters), whining about media coverage, using surrogates to go on attacks, letting Bill run his mouth, etc.

-The "big" screw ups-Not preparing well for caucus states, mismanaging campaign funds, not having a decent strategy, running a negative campaign, not apologizing for her war vote and ending the issue with that, etc.

In terms of Republicans, I've read countless places that Clinton supporters have said that Republicans are only looking to "spoil" the Democrats Primary. It's an argument that doesn't hold much weight seeing as though there are many people who have been brought back into the Democratic Party by Obama.

If you look back in retrospect, there is going to be an interesting outcome from this, someone is going to write a book about the complete implosion of the campaign that will serve as a guidebook for future campaigns.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obama made a great quote that was picked up internationally "REMEMBER NEW HAMPSHIRE".

It's basically a wake-up call to his supporters to get out there and vote for him if they want him to win. Great quote though.

In other words, don't expect me to win, vote for me so I will win.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TB,

He certainly doesn't take anything for granted and neither do his supporters.
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stillnotking



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Clinton spin: Obama needs to sweep Mar 4 Reply with quote

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Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states," the memo continues. "He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and - of course - making speeches."


Yes, he has, and he's done it for the entire campaign -- even in the smaller states Hillary ignored -- which is why he's beating her.

Honestly, does anyone want Clinton to get the nomination any more? She's approached this whole race with a palpable sense of entitlement, that she now expresses by sneering at her opponent when he campaigns harder than her. Obama asks for people's votes. Clinton expects their votes. Big difference.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is something to this claim. Obama has surged into the lead with 11 straight wins and has passed Clinton in the polls in Texas and drawn practically even in Ohio. He should win.

If he doesn't, it might be time for everyone to take a look at Gravel.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Clinton spin: Obama needs to sweep Mar 4 Reply with quote

stillnotking wrote:
Quote:
Senator Obama has campaigned hard in these states," the memo continues. "He has spent time meeting editorial boards, courting endorsers, holding rallies, and - of course - making speeches."


Yes, he has, and he's done it for the entire campaign -- even in the smaller states Hillary ignored -- which is why he's beating her.

Honestly, does anyone want Clinton to get the nomination any more? She's approached this whole race with a palpable sense of entitlement, that she now expresses by sneering at her opponent when he campaigns harder than her. Obama asks for people's votes. Clinton expects their votes. Big difference.



Yes..and this goes back to my point of the errors that Clinton has made in this campaign. She has not just ignored smaller, caucus and red states, she's repeatedly insulted them (as have her staff as well) by claiming they don't count.

Wait, I come from a small state. Maybe my state doesn't count either.

The difference in attitude makes a huge impact as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, it is sad how few states actually matter. the GOP doesn't even buy air time in Hawaii. as the DEMs probably don't do in alaska. everything gets sliced and diced and evaluated and the election is statistically analyzed before it is even cast. all that remains is knowing which district election in which "battleground" state needs to be "fixed" to get the ends desired.

this go round is gonna be a landslide and that is a shame. alot of the tricks only get brought out once every four years and this year we shan't be privy to alot of the "daisy cutters" of the last two cycles.

a candidate who actually appears to care about every state is much more appealling than one with a selective strategy. rudy's whole scheme of ignoring all states before florida happily went down in flames. hillary has a similar selective plan and it amazes me. it is almost as if she doesn't want the populace to take an active part in the system. she is REP and is ignoring the common folks. just whose party does she think she is running for?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I've been saying it all along, Hillary's campaign has been defeating themselves. Maybe it's fitting to change Carville's saying from, "The, economy stupid" to "The message, stupid".

This just goes to prove my point:

How did the Clinton campaign get here?
By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 3, 2008

Just a few months ago, few imagined she'd be struggling to catch up to Obama. But her team has been riddled with feuding and second-guessing at the top.

By Peter Nicholas, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 3, 2008

WASHINGTON -- As they mapped out a campaign schedule for Bill Clinton, top aides to Hillary Rodham Clinton kept his time short in South Carolina. They were probably going to lose the state, they figured, and they wanted their most powerful surrogate to move on to Georgia, Alabama and other Southern states.

But the former president shelved the plan, according to campaign aides. Day after day he stayed in South Carolina, getting into angry confrontations with the press and others. In the end, Hillary Clinton lost the Jan. 26 vote there by a 2-to-1 margin and saw her standing with African Americans nationwide become strained.

Hillary Clinton may be one of the most disciplined figures in national politics, but she has presided over a campaign operation riven by feuding, rival fiefdoms and second-guessing of top staff members.

Those tensions partly explain why Clinton today stands where, just a few months ago, few expected she'd be: struggling to catch up to Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination. If she loses either of the crucial contests Tuesday in Texas and Ohio, Clinton may face calls from senior party officials to end her campaign.

Some polls show her leading in Ohio but tied in Texas; the race in both states is considered close.

Already, some in Clinton's senior staff are pointing fingers over what went wrong, with some of the blame aimed at Clinton herself. As the race unfolded, neither Clinton nor anyone else resolved the internal power struggles that played out with destructive effect and continue to this day.

Chief strategist and pollster Mark Penn clashed with senior advisor Harold Ickes, former deputy campaign manager Mike Henry and others. Field organizers battled with Clinton's headquarters in northern Virginia. Campaign themes were rolled out and discarded, reflecting tensions among a staff bitterly divided over what Clinton's basic message should be.

The dispute over Bill Clinton's schedule shows how easily plans can unravel. Some campaign staffers didn't expect to win South Carolina overall, but "our strategy was to go after specific districts in South Carolina" to add to the delegate total while freeing Bill Clinton to spend time in other Southern states, said a Clinton campaign aide.

But Bill Clinton said " 'I need to be in South Carolina,' " the aide said. "It was a one-man mission out there."

Obama, who leads Clinton in delegates, would pose problems for any candidate. But aides to Clinton said the dysfunction within her campaign team made its task that much tougher.

Joe Trippi, a senior advisor to John Edwards' now-dropped Democratic campaign, said: "At some point the candidate has to step in and bust heads and say 'Enough!'

"If there's fighting internally, the candidate has to step up and make it clear what direction she wants to go and stop this stuff dead in its tracks. Otherwise there's going to be a struggle for power and control right until the end. It's crippling."

Last month, after a series of defeats, Hillary Clinton chose a new campaign manager, replacing Patti Solis Doyle. But she left in place many senior people, including Penn and Ickes, who have been involved in incessant turf wars.

As the campaign faces a make-or-break moment, some high-level officials are trying to play down their role in the campaign. Penn said in an e-mail over the weekend that he had "no direct authority in the campaign," describing himself as merely "an outside message advisor with no campaign staff reporting to me."

"I have had no say or involvement in four key areas -- the financial budget and resource allocation, political or organizational sides. Those were the responsibility of Patti Solis Doyle, Harold Ickes and Mike Henry, and they met separately on all matters relating to those areas."

Howard Wolfson, the campaign's communications chief, answered that it was Penn who had top responsibility for both its strategy and message. Another aide said Penn spoke to Clinton routinely about the campaign's message and ran daily meetings on the topic.

One running debate within Clinton's campaign was whether her defeats -- she has lost 11 straight contests -- were due to organizational lapses or a faulty message.

Some aides say organizational problems were the most significant, as Obama outworked Clinton in many states and sent in organizers earlier.

That problem may go back to well before the lead-off contest, in Iowa. In June, Clinton's Iowa staff requested 150 organizers; headquarters approved a budget for 90.

By September, Iowa staff were sending out warnings about Obama's strength. "We are being outnumbered on the ground on a daily basis by his campaign, and it is beginning to show results," said a memo to top campaign officials on Sept. 26, about three months before the state's caucuses.

Clinton's "call time into Iowa is routinely cut. . . . Not only does Obama spend more time in Iowa . . . but he spends more time making political phone calls into Iowa as well," the memo said. "His persistence and one-on-one approach has earned Obama the support of several key activists who are decision-makers in their counties."

The memo asked for 100 more field organizers "immediately."

Later, Clinton did bring more organizers to Iowa. She finished third, behind Obama and Edwards.

The campaign also had trouble settling on a way to confront Obama. Top aides could not agree on whether, or how, to attack him.

"Why aren't we attacking him?" Bill Clinton asked at a high-level staff meeting Dec. 1 at the Clintons' Washington home, according to people familiar with events. With aides sitting around the dining room table, Bill Clinton said it was time to get more aggressive with Obama.

The following day, in Iowa, Hillary Clinton called a news conference to execute the strategy of questioning Obama's character. "Now the fun part starts," she said.

But the attacks were sporadic. Aides warned that Iowans dislike personal attacks, so Clinton quickly pulled back. Sustained criticism of Obama didn't come until later in the campaign season.

Another unresolved question went to the core of Clinton's identity. Penn wanted to emphasize her "strength and experience" and her command of issues -- an approach the campaign adopted.

But others worried that in emphasizing her steely resolve, the campaign was ignoring the reality that many voters disliked Clinton. They wanted to humanize her.

The campaign produced a 60-second television ad before the Iowa caucuses that attempted to do so. In it, Clinton told the story of her mother leaving Chicago on a train at age 8, accompanied only by her 3-year-old sister, to live with grandparents in Los Angeles. It was a poignant story that campaign aides hoped would also highlight Clinton's interest in children's issues.

But Penn tested the advertisement with voters. He reported back that it did not play well in Iowa, and it never aired -- leaving some aides grumbling that an opportunity had been missed.

The dispute flared anew after Clinton's defeat in South Carolina. At a meeting in the Arlington, Va., headquarters, Penn and others gave a PowerPoint presentation on what was billed as a new message: Clinton would be championing "Solutions for America."

Henry, then the deputy campaign manager, objected, according to people at the meeting. He said it sounded like a repackaging of the old message that Clinton was a strong leader rather than a warm person. Indeed, a top item in the PowerPoint was "strength and experience" -- a theme Clinton had been stressing for months.

Henry asked: "Is this what we're doing, or is it up for discussion?"

Penn said Clinton had already approved the new message.

At that point, Henry asked if the campaign had learned anything from its defeats. It should be clear, he said, that voters want to see a more human side of her.

"This is not bringing out the humanity in her," Henry said, according to people present.

Penn countered that the reason for many of her defeats, particularly in smaller states, had been a lack of organization, not the message -- a swipe at Henry and others in field work.

In the end, Clinton backed Penn. Henry left the campaign. And Clinton has been casting herself as someone in the "solutions business" -- a message she repeats as she makes a stand in Ohio and Texas.

The campaign dubbed her final weekend appearances in Texas and Ohio "Solutions for America" rallies.

" 'Solutions for America,' " one campaign aide said. "It sounds like something you'd buy at the pharmacy."
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Clinton spin: Obama needs to sweep Mar 4 Reply with quote

stillnotking wrote:

Honestly, does anyone want Clinton to get the nomination any more? She's approached this whole race with a palpable sense of entitlement, that she now expresses by sneering at her opponent when he campaigns harder than her. Obama asks for people's votes. Clinton expects their votes. Big difference.


I guess I don't see Clinton having a monopoly on entitlement. Obama's resume tells me he has *no business* running for President. I understand that Clinton's isn't much richer, but she was battling for Health Care when I was a teenager. I think I know what kind of individual Clinton is. Obama? He's an unknown. He might make a great President. I just have no idea.

Obama seems to be running on the fact that he opposed the Iraq War. Well, that's fantastic, but its 2008, not 2002. He and Hillary are otherwise identical on what should happen in Iraq today. So what does that tell you?

I have my own reservations about Clinton. Her economic populism is upsetting, to say the least. But Obama has not distinguished himself in this regard. Yes, he could have won my vote by saying: "I think Hillary is wrong on NAFTA, it has helped the American people." But instead, he attacks her as being part of the establishment that created NAFTA.

I understand why a lot of people support Obama. I think stereotyping someone based on the candidate they support is a sign of a Manichean worldview. There are some good reasons to support Obama, and in the end, I may support him for President. But, at this point, I find Hillary's debate performances more inspiring than Barack's speeches.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clinton: If he doesn't get 95% of the votes, it's a failure for the Obama team.

Clinton Aide: Obama got 90% of the votes.

Clinton: Haha! See! He failed.




Looks like someone has a Huckabee-sized case of denial.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's at this point in the race that I really, really miss Biden and/or Richardson. Even Dodd.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Truth be known if Hilary loses Texas it's all over.

She may win Ohio, she probably will.

RI and VT are really non players,
though it does look like Obama may carry RI,
which will show the momentum swinging.

This is probably the last dance of the primary season.
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