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sandcmoeller925



Joined: 11 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:45 am    Post subject: Should I get an E-2 visa or an F-4 visa? Reply with quote

I am so confused...should I get an E-2 or F-4 visa? I understand the basic differences but I'm receiving conflicting advice. Is it possible for me to get an E-2 visa while in the US (sponsored by the school I am hired by) and then apply for an F-4 visa once in Korea? If I choose to get an F-4 visa - will it be more difficult to acquire a teaching position? How will the job application process differ for someone with an F-4 visa? On a completely different topic - would it be safe to say I have a dual citizenship since I was born in Korea? Or did I give up my Korean citizenship when I became a US citizen? Please advice - thank you!
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh, you're asking us about YOUR citizenship? LOL.

You need to contact your local Korean consulate, and perhaps even consult mommy and daddy about your situation.

In a nutshell, just get the F4 if you can.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a Korean passport and a US passport? I think your passport is going to determine your initial allowed stay in Korea. 30 days or forever.

How long did you live in Korea? Can you speak Korean?

I don't know what advantages you will have by having a F4 visa here.....but, since you were born here, you might have to have an F4. Are you going to public school?
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sandcmoeller925



Joined: 11 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PRagic wrote:
Uh, you're asking us about YOUR citizenship? LOL.

You need to contact your local Korean consulate, and perhaps even consult mommy and daddy about your situation.

In a nutshell, just get the F4 if you can.


I certainly appreciate the unnecessary sarcasm - I don't have a "mommy or daddy" to ask because they are both deceased and I was adopted by an American family. I plan to contact the Consulate but I was hoping to get a better grasp on what direction I should take from those who might have gone through this themselves. At this time I plan to take the next step in acquiring an F4. Thanks for your feedback.
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sandcmoeller925



Joined: 11 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
Do you have a Korean passport and a US passport? I think your passport is going to determine your initial allowed stay in Korea. 30 days or forever.

How long did you live in Korea? Can you speak Korean?

I don't know what advantages you will have by having a F4 visa here.....but, since you were born here, you might have to have an F4. Are you going to public school?


PGF - I have an US passport but not a Korean passport. I plan to teach English in Korea so I'm staying here for at least a year - whether it is with a work visa or an F4 visa.

I lived in Korea until I was 9 years old...unfortunately I can no longer speak Korean. I started taking Korean lessons a few months ago but none of it is coming back to me! I'm hoping once I am immersed in the language - I will start to recognize it.

Are you asking if I am planning to teach in a public school?
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DallasTexas



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul Korea

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a group, actually a non-government organization or NGO, designed especially to help adoptees come to Korea, work through the visa process, find jobs, find relatives, etc.


Check this link, the resources, expertise, and comraderie are wonderful
http://www.goal.or.kr/eng/

AND....they even have a villa near the Blue House where you can stay with other adoptees for a few bucks a day.
http://www.koroot.org/eng/guesthouse/eng_introduction_list.asp

DaeHwa Winger (from Sweden, I think, runs the place and is a wonderful guy)

Best Wishes
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sandcmoeller925 wrote:
PGF wrote:
Do you have a Korean passport and a US passport? I think your passport is going to determine your initial allowed stay in Korea. 30 days or forever.

How long did you live in Korea? Can you speak Korean?

I don't know what advantages you will have by having a F4 visa here.....but, since you were born here, you might have to have an F4. Are you going to public school?


PGF - I have an US passport but not a Korean passport. I plan to teach English in Korea so I'm staying here for at least a year - whether it is with a work visa or an F4 visa.

I lived in Korea until I was 9 years old...unfortunately I can no longer speak Korean. I started taking Korean lessons a few months ago but none of it is coming back to me! I'm hoping once I am immersed in the language - I will start to recognize it.

Are you asking if I am planning to teach in a public school?


I know a few gyopos who teach in public schools. I think that would be the best place for a gyopo because hagwon owners tend to treat koreans worse than FTs even if they are Korean americans or Korean canadians who've never lived here and do not speak the language.

This is because the private sector (hagwons) is looking for "white" native speakers and they sell that to the parents. It's hard to say that you have a foreign teacher at your school if they are asian.

Public schools, however, just want a native speaker-which you are.

And, you'll have plenty of free time- somethings that elusive at most first year hagwons.

There are exceptions, of course......

I wish you the best of luck here. I don't know if the language will come back to you or not. My korean friends say that my gyopo friends can't speak korean even though they sound like they're speaking korean to me....
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OneWayTraffic



Joined: 14 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:

I wish you the best of luck here. I don't know if the language will come back to you or not. My korean friends say that my gyopo friends can't speak korean even though they sound like they're speaking korean to me....



I've read in an article about brain science that the brain is ruthless about pruning old connections if they're no longer used. This mainly happens in the adolescent years. The brain loses its flexibility, trading it off for a substantial increase in power.

So if you learned a skill early on and never practiced it during adolescence, then it could be well and truly gone. At least that's the impression I got from the article. The OP may get some Korean skill back, and can always learn it again as a foreign language, but it may never be quite native...

I met a young Korean doctor who lived in America until she was about 9. She still spoke English, but not really any better than her other doctor classmates. She said that she was a lot better at it when she was 8.
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victorology



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you a male or female?

I have a friend who was adopted by an American family and he has dual citizenship. If you have the same and you are male, you might want to drop your Korean citizenship and just get the F-4 visa. That way, you won't have to serve military duty.

In regards to your original question, between an E-2 and an F-4, the F-4 is without a doubt better. Also, there are a lot of talk about how gyopo's have a difficult time finding teaching jobs in Korea but from personal experience and those around me, this hasn't been the case.
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agoodmouse



Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandcmoeller925, I advise you get your F1 visa before you come to Korea. As you are an adopted Korean child you qualify for this visa, according to this link here. Look at the footnotes at the bottom of that page. I'd say, go to your nearest Korean consulate and get your F visa before you come to Korea. You need to gather your original documents, such as birth certificate, adoption papers, passport, etc. Simply go to the consulate, tell them your story, and show them what original documents you've got; try to bring anything you think is important. They'll tell you what you didn't bring (guarantee: you'll make many trips back to your filing cabinets) and what you need to do.

Depending on what original documents you've got, as I think you probably don't have much regarding your biological parents, you'll fall into the F1 visa category.

Vis a vis employment and the myriad of visas out there, you'll be golden once you get your F visa. You don't want to get an E-2 visa and come to Korea and be under the thumb of a bad employer who can fire you and therefore make you have to leave the country or scramble for a new job so you can stay within borders. Public schools and hagwons hire Koreans, half-Koreans, etc. Notably, public schools in Korea -- through GEPIK, SMOE, EPIK -- do hire people of full and half-Korean heritage. Hagwons might be more picky, though. I know plenty of Korean public school teachers working as native speakers. Many are from Canada, the U.S, Australia, and New Zealand.

By the way, the reason why some people are sarcastic to you on this thread (and might be in real life in Korea) is because F visas have an overwhelming set of benefits attached to them compared to work- and other visas. It's telling, especially on this message forum, that work visa questions are fielded and helpfully answered without barbs about one's heritage or nationality; but a single F visa question by a person causes snarky assumptions to be made by some about the person inquiring. Keep your head up, and don't worry -- such people wouldn't have been friendly to you anyway.

Get your F visa before you come here. Don't come to Korea on an E-2 (no matter what your recruiter says) and then try to get your F visa here. You might forget documents or a paperwork process that requires you to physically be at the embassy, records department in your county, etc.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

agoodmouse wrote:

By the way, the reason why some people are sarcastic to you on this thread (and might be in real life in Korea) is because F visas have an overwhelming set of benefits attached to them compared to work- and other visas. It's telling, especially on this message forum, that work visa questions are fielded and helpfully answered without barbs about one's heritage or nationality; but a single F visa question by a person causes snarky assumptions to be made by some about the person inquiring. Keep your head up, and don't worry -- such people wouldn't have been friendly to you anyway.



I can't find the "snarky" (is that british english?) comments in this thread. everyones been helpful. If my comments were snarky (whatever that means, then I'm sorry but it's not because of F visa jealousy, because I am on an F visa.

I think this has been a helpful thread for the OP and no ones been snarky....maybe you've just forgotten your tea and crumpets or you're in a tiff because Lady diane died exactly **** hundred days ago.....who knows? at least you are not french
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sandcmoeller925



Joined: 11 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PGF wrote:
agoodmouse wrote:

By the way, the reason why some people are sarcastic to you on this thread (and might be in real life in Korea) is because F visas have an overwhelming set of benefits attached to them compared to work- and other visas. It's telling, especially on this message forum, that work visa questions are fielded and helpfully answered without barbs about one's heritage or nationality; but a single F visa question by a person causes snarky assumptions to be made by some about the person inquiring. Keep your head up, and don't worry -- such people wouldn't have been friendly to you anyway.



I can't find the "snarky" (is that british english?) comments in this thread. everyones been helpful. If my comments were snarky (whatever that means, then I'm sorry but it's not because of F visa jealousy, because I am on an F visa.


PGF - I think it's safe to say agoodmouse was not referring to you when she made the comment about some being "snarly." You've been nothing but helpful and I really appreciate it. Thanks for the information about the public schools vs. hagwons.
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sandcmoeller925



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agoodmouse - thank you so much for your advice! I know the F1 visa is for those who are visiting family...I actually don't have any contact with my family. I've started the search process and hope to reconnect with them when I am there. Is the F1 visa better than the F4? I am definitely going to try to acquire a F4 or F1 visa instead of the E2. It sounds like a no-brainer!

Thanks for the words of encouragement - are you also an F1 or F4 holder?
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sandcmoeller925



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="victorology"]Are you a male or female?

I have a friend who was adopted by an American family and he has dual citizenship. If you have the same and you are male, you might want to drop your Korean citizenship and just get the F-4 visa. That way, you won't have to serve military duty.

quote]
Victorology - I don't have to worry about serving military duty b/c I am female. However, it's good info to have just in case my biological brother (we were adopted together) ever decided to head over to Korea as well. Do all Korea-born adoptees have dual citizenship automatically? I guess this is something I'll find out when I go to the consulate.
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PGF



Joined: 27 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="sandcmoeller925"]
victorology wrote:
Are you a male or female?

I have a friend who was adopted by an American family and he has dual citizenship. If you have the same and you are male, you might want to drop your Korean citizenship and just get the F-4 visa. That way, you won't have to serve military duty.

quote]
Victorology - I don't have to worry about serving military duty b/c I am female. However, it's good info to have just in case my biological brother (we were adopted together) ever decided to head over to Korea as well. Do all Korea-born adoptees have dual citizenship automatically? I guess this is something I'll find out when I go to the consulate.


I'm still trying to find out what snarky means...

Anyway, from what I've researched; if a Korean obtains citizenship in another country, they forfeit their Korean citizenship. But, I've heard that they are moving away from this position/policy, like most western countries have. I don't know if it would be retroactive or not.

I'm particularly interested in this subject because I have a baby on the way. I'm still trying to decide if we should have her in Korea or in the US.

Also, I'm worried about discrimination if I raise the child here. My head hurts when I think of all the different scenarios of bringing a mixed race baby into this world....

Anyway, you'll love Korea. It's going to be strange at first because you don't speak Korean and you look like (are) Korean. But, the individual people here will understand once they know and you will find them kind and interested in you. Network with other gyopos to find out what to expect.

If you come near Incheon, I know a few apartment hagwons that would be happy to have you teach their kids if you want some extra cash. They want native speakers and do not care if they are korean american, Filipino, or mexican as long as you speak like a native english speaker.


My wife can help you as well getting an extra job. Her best friend has a "korean hagwon" that teaches the 13 korean school subjects; she doesn't like "foreigners" in her school ( for obvious reasons), but she would love to have a gyopo and she'll most certainly give you a free Korean language class.

Anyway, hope that wasn't snarky.

I'll send you my phone # and my wife's # via PM in case you need anything/ have questions, etc.

Do you know where you want to go in Korea?
Where are you from in the US?
I don't recommend Seoul, btw, for many many reasons.

Check your PM
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