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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Which Culture War issue is likely to raise its ugly head? |
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This being an election year, the Culture War front will be opening soon...probably in the summer. What issues are safe for McCain to raise and which are impossible for him to raise without shooting himself in the foot? |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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he has nothing tolose by hitting hard on illegal immigration from the south. always cheap talking points found there that require no follow up.
castigate the poor. they don't vote and don't put much into PACs. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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hitting hard on illegal immigration |
And write off the Hispanic vote for the Republican Party for all eternity? It looks to me like this one would be a safer bet for Obama to raise. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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McCain, Obama Trade Barbs
By LAURA MECKLER
February 28, 2008; Page A10
TYLER, Texas -- Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama are increasingly attacking each other over a range of issues in what could be the opening rounds of the general-election campaign.
[John McCain]
A cross-country dispute over Iraq erupted yesterday, and no matter who Mr. McCain faces, differences over the war are certain to be a defining question for voters this fall. But Messrs. McCain and Obama have also tangled over health care, campaign finance and lobbying. Each man takes pains to speak about the other with respect, but their differences on a scope of issues now burst through regularly as both look toward the fall campaign.
Mr. McCain, who is expected to win the Republican nomination, also takes aim at Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton. But he has aimed his most pointed criticism at Mr. Obama, anticipating a matchup even though the Democratic nomination has yet to be settled.
PRESIDENTIAL PRELUDE?
� Early Action: John McCain and Barack Obama are trading barbs in what could foreshadow the general election.
� Picking Sides: The Democratic nomination isn't decided, but Mr. McCain has aimed his most pointed criticism at Mr. Obama.
� The Issues: The candidates have tangled over health care, Iraq and campaign finance.
Yesterday, the Arizona senator opened a town-hall meeting by criticizing Mr. Obama for comments he made during a Democratic debate the night before. In the debate, Mr. Obama responded to a question about whether he would invade Iraq again if al Qaeda resurged after he withdrew troops. "If al Qaeda is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad," Mr. Obama replied.
Mr. McCain fired from Texas: "I have some news: Al Qaeda is in Iraq ... It's called al Qaeda in Iraq. And, my friends, if we left they wouldn't be establishing a base ... they'd be taking a country."
That prompted a reply from Mr. Obama as he campaigned in Ohio. He said he knows al Qaeda is in Iraq and that is why he plans to continue to strike at the terrorist group. He quickly went on offense.
"I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq," the Illinois senator said at a rally at Ohio State University in Columbus. "So John McCain may like to say he wants to follow Osama bin Laden to the gates of hell, but so far all he's done is follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq that's cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars."
The disputes between the two men touch a variety of issues. On campaign finance, Mr. McCain slammed Mr. Obama for hedging on his pledge to accept public financing in the general election. "He committed to public financing. It is not more complicated than that," Mr. McCain said last week. "I'll keep my word. I want him to keep his."
Mr. Obama had pledged to take public financing in the fall if his Republican opponent did the same, but now is wavering, perhaps because he has proven to be a powerful fund-raiser.
Superdelegate Rep. John Lewis of Georgia has switched allegiance to the Barack Obama campaign. Meanwhile, John McCain is focusing his attention on Obama. Fox's Doug Luzader reports.
On Saturday, Mr. Obama said that some of Mr. McCain's top aides are lobbyists and that "many of them have been running their business on the campaign bus while they've been helping him." Mr. Obama also charged that Mr. McCain's health-care plan reflects the "agenda of the drug and insurance lobbyists."
Mr. McCain is equally dismissive of Mr. Obama's health-care ideas, and said yesterday that both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton want "government to take over the health-care system in America."
On Feb. 12, when both men swept primaries in Maryland, Virginia and Washington, D.C., Mr. McCain accused Mr. Obama of peddling platitudes. A week later, in a clear reference to Mr. Obama, Mr. McCain promised to make sure that "Americans are not deceived by an eloquent but empty call for change." He also asked whether the nation was willing to "risk the confused leadership of an inexperienced candidate."
In one of his own speeches, Mr. Obama reminded listeners of Mr. McCain's age -- 71 years old -- by noting his "half-century" of service before offering a critique of his platform.
[Barack Obama]
Despite the tension, the candidates are maintaining a civil spirit. Mr. Obama regularly calls Mr. McCain an American hero. "I revere and honor the service of John McCain to this country," he said yesterday.
And on Tuesday, Mr. McCain was quick to condemn inflammatory comments from a conservative talk-show host who revved up the crowd before a speech in Cincinnati.
The radio host, Bill Cunningham, referred to Mr. Obama by his full name -- using his middle name, Hussein -- three times. False information has circulated that Mr. Obama is Muslim, and some detractors like to fan those flames by using his full name. Hussein also quickly brings to mind Saddam Hussein, Iraq's onetime brutal dictator.
Mr. McCain immediately apologized. "I have repeatedly stated my respect for Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton. I will treat them with respect," he said.
Mr. Obama's campaign appreciated the response, said spokesman Bill Burton. "It is a sign that if there is a McCain-Obama general election, it can be intensely competitive but the candidates will attempt to keep it respectful and focused on issues."
--Timothy Farnam and Nick Timiraos contributed to this article. |
So far, there is a level of civility. Not sure how long it will last. Obama's supports McCain's service and McCain disavows any cheap shot that suggests that Obama is Muslim. I think the debates among the 527s will be really nasty, but the rhetoric from the men themselves will most likely remain civil as can be for a general election presidential campaign. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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"culture war" has some huge parameters. lotsa stuff that we should be talking about but won't.
the GOP is gonna try to get the hispanic vote via the religion route but will lose it on labor aspects. the GOP has had no small part in the open border plan but i believe history will show that they are bringing in voters hostile to the GOP cause. that young bush who is half hispanic and speaks fluent spanish will be a good candidate in about 25 years, if there still is a GOP.
age problem? won't be touched. all discussions on senior priviledges lead to social security. won't be broached.
black v. white...is this still a problem? has it finally been cast in the proper light of economic haves vs havenots?
he can't hit too hard on terrorism as that'll evoke too much bush.
he is a tossaway candidate. even knowsit. |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Gun control is going to be an issue, for the first time in a long time. Obama supported the D.C. gun ban and is the most anti-gun candidate the Democrats have run in the last twenty years. |
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catman

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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Obama is a false prophet! I expect to hear that one from the religious right at somepoint. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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When I say 'Culture War', I mean things like:
a. Prayer in school
b. Flag burning amendment
c. Abortion
d. Sex ed in schools
e. the 10 Commandments on courthouse monuments
f. Gay rights and marriage
g. Public funding of art
h. Gun control
i. PC vocabulary
j. Teaching evolution in school
You know, the kind of issues that can get a rock-ribbed religious conservative wound up into a frothing rage. |
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stevemcgarrett

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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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YaTa Boy conjectured:
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And write off the Hispanic vote for the Republican Party for all eternity? It looks to me like this one would be a safer bet for Obama to raise. |
More lame thinking from you: in almost every primary to date Obama has lost the Hispanic vote to Clinton. Raising this issue would only further distance him from the largest minority voting bloc in the country. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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It's going to be about Wisconsin vs. Oregon....throw those Badgers out of the union!
Just kidding Steve! |
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: |
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McCain is in a tricky position. He's tacked to the right to appease the base and may have to stay there to keep them active and donating. That puts him in place to lose all the indys and Dems that have always liked him and may support him. Someone compared him to Dole, and that seems increasingly accurate.
No one has mentioned the 527s. This is where the culture wars are going to be fought. As much as McCain might have disgust for the 527s on the right he'll use them, and even if he doesn't agree with what they'll do he won't be able to stop them. The 527s on the right will go crazy over the gay issue, they've lost ground in a few states and it rubs them wrong. They're going to try to paint Obama as an uberliberale and use that to bring up prayer, judges/abortion, evolution, etc.
I think a big question is will Obama be forced into accepting public financing? If he does expect a lot of money in the 527s pockets on the left. Move Ons probably praying he takes public funding. The election may work on two fronts, a very pleasant issues related debate between the candidates and a brutal and nasty back and forth between the DNC/RNC and the 527s. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:05 am Post subject: |
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More lame thinking from you: in almost every primary to date Obama has lost the Hispanic vote to Clinton. Raising this issue would only further distance him from the largest minority voting bloc in the country. |
Dear Clueless in Eau Claire,
Are you as ignorant on other days of the week as you are on Mondays? If McCain toes the conservative line on immigration, which amounts to: Let's arm all the yahoos on the border and chase them damn wetbacks back to Mexico, it'll be 2108 before an Hispanic even takes a look at a Republican candidate without foaming at the mouth.
There's an opinion piece over at Real Clear Politics that reports the Hispanics have been trampling each other in the race to drop out of the Republican Party. In the debate over immigration last year, the Prez was the only Republican in sight who wasn't calling for machine gun emplacements at the Rio Grande. |
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