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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Yep. I'm on the mailing list.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Hey, after all his millions, he's up to 14 delegates. Never say die! |
considering how far out of the mainstream his ideas are, it's actually a miracle he got that many, $ or not, don't you think? |
Nope, there appear to be quite a number of "fringe" people who share many of his ideas or at least see him as the least bad choice. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Hey, after all his millions, he's up to 14 delegates. Never say die! |
considering how far out of the mainstream his ideas are, it's actually a miracle he got that many, $ or not, don't you think? |
Nope, there appear to be quite a number of "fringe" people who share many of his ideas or at least see him as the least bad choice. |
I would have supported him if he could've shaken off the crazy.
Alas, he was ranting about the gold standard bankrupting America in the last GOP debate before Super Tuesday.
Oh, yeah, and he's a stark racist. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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Soon. Soon. Even if we have to continue waiting. We know that W. Bush's days in the Oval Office are numbered and counting down. Better: November will occur before then so we can take heart in knowing that candidate Ron Paul has even less days before him than W. Bush...
No one needs to worry about not knowing. The moment he withdraws from the race we will note it on this thread. Then we will virtual party and virtual dance -- and I might even virtual kiss Big_Bird -- all night long... |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| Hey, after all his millions, he's up to 14 delegates. Never say die! |
considering how far out of the mainstream his ideas are, it's actually a miracle he got that many, $ or not, don't you think? |
Nope, there appear to be quite a number of "fringe" people who share many of his ideas or at least see him as the least bad choice. |
I would have supported him if he could've shaken off the crazy.
Alas, he was ranting about the gold standard bankrupting America in the last GOP debate before Super Tuesday.
Oh, yeah, and he's a stark racist. |
Stark stark stark indeed. Cannot be stressed enough. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Then we will virtual party and virtual dance -- and I might even virtual kiss Big_Bird -- all night long... |
You and your love obsession with BB, it's so cute. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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From the Journal
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ALVIN, Texas -- Two congressmen gambled on quixotic 2008 presidential campaigns in a bet that won't put either of them in the White House and may ultimately cost them their House seats as well.
Reps. Ron Paul (R., Texas) and Dennis Kucinich (D., Ohio) now face a common problem: primary challenges built largely around the notion that their long-shot presidential bids and celebrity status have put them out of touch with voters back home. For both, the showdown will be March 4, when Texas and Ohio hold primaries.
Mr. Kucinich conceded his House seat was in trouble when he abandoned his presidential bid in late January, telling his hometown paper, "I want to continue to serve in Congress."
His top opponent is Joe Cimperman, a Cleveland councilman endorsed by Cleveland Mayor Frank Jackson and the Cleveland Plain Dealer newspaper. Mr. Cimperman defines Mr. Kucinich as an absentee congressman who has failed to pass any major legislative initiatives in his 12-year House career. In an interview, he said he was tired of Mr. Kucinich and Cleveland being joke fodder for late-night talk-show hosts. "It's time for him to go," he says.
Mr. Kucinich also ran for president in 2004 and stayed in the race all the way to the Democratic convention without trouble back home. This time, the coverage of his campaign rarely reached beyond his quest to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney, his marriage to a woman 31 years his junior, and a public acknowledgment that he saw a UFO in 1982 during a stay at actress Shirley MacLaine's home in Washington state.
The Ohio lawmaker is also trailing in the money race. Mr. Cimperman had $205,000 cash on hand at the end of the year, compared with $13,000 for Mr. Kucinich, according to the most recent reports filed with the Federal Election Committee. In addition to Mr. Cimperman, three other Democrats also will appear on the primary ballot.
Another sign of vulnerability: Mr. Kucinich agreed to debate his four opponents on Tuesday -- a rare concession for a safe incumbent. "When all is said and done, people know they can count on me," Mr. Kucinich told the crowd, according to the Associated Press.
While Mr. Kucinich opted to drop his presidential bid, Mr. Paul has committed to staying in the Republican race though he recently scaled back his national campaigning to focus more on his House re-election campaign.
Mr. Paul hasn't won any contests to date, but his campaign has attracted national attention as he broke Internet fund-raising records and stood alone on the Republican stage as an opponent of the Iraq war and much of President Bush's foreign policy.
He expresses confidence he will dispatch his primary opponent, Chris Peden, a certified public accountant and city councilman from Friendswood, about 20 miles south of Houston. Mr. Peden says that while Mr. Paul may be a celebrity candidate with a zealous following, he hasn't been an effective legislator.
Mr. Peden's candidacy has irked many of Mr. Paul's ardent supporters. Mr. Peden says his family has been harassed in phone calls, emails, and in person at their home to a point where the Pedens have filed complaints with local police and sent their two youngest children to stay with his parents until the primary is over.
Mr. Peden said he doesn't believe Mr. Paul or his campaign had anything to do with the harassment; Paul campaign manager Mark Elam confirms that, calling the actions of some supporters "unfortunate."
Mr. Peden is positioning himself as a more buttoned-down mainstream conservative, unlike Mr. Paul who is known for his libertarian streak and advocacy of policies that aren't widely embraced by fellow Republicans, such as eliminating the Federal Reserve.
Simply put, Mr. Peden doesn't think Mr. Paul does his day job well. "The more I've learned about him, the more I realized the 351 bills he's authored to date since 1997 when he was re-elected none -- zero -- have ever been passed into law," he says in an interview at his campaign headquarters in Alvin. Mr. Paul's antiwar rhetoric, he says, puts him at odds with a solidly conservative district that re-elected President Bush with nearly 70% of the vote in 2004.
Still, Mr. Peden faces an uphill fight with little financial support outside of a $150,000 loan he made himself.
Mr. Elam said the legislative attack was misleading, arguing that many of Mr. Paul's proposals have been incorporated in other bills, and he cited his successful effort to establish a U.S. Gold Commission more than two decades ago as an example. "I think Ron Paul is recognized as one of the nation's leading conservatives," Mr. Elam countered. "Most people, if you look at their legislative product it consists of more taxes and more spending and that's not Congressman Paul's desire."
Mr. Elam, a friend of Mr. Paul's and his campaign manager dating back 30 years, was sanguine about the race in an interview at his Sugarland, Texas, home.
The campaign is certainly ahead in fund-raising. Drawing largely on the same network of online donors that fund his presidential bid, Mr. Paul's congressional campaign raised more than $1 million in the past month. This week, it made a $250,000 television ad buy in the Houston media market, and is conducting regular internal polling. "We take every race seriously," Mr. Elam said.
He acknowledged that Mr. Paul expressed concern when another antiwar Republican, moderate Rep. Wayne Gilchrest of Maryland, was ousted in a primary challenge last week. "I said, 'Yeah, but he was beat by a conservative,' " Mr. Elam assured his boss.
If he is unsuccessful this time around, Mr. Peden said he'll return to his accounting practice through April 15 -- it is tax season after all. "Then we'll start gearing up for 2010," he said. |
I remember a few posters a while back thought a Paul/Kucinich ticket would be unstoppable. -- What ever happened to them?
The money that Paul has raised has certainly not turned into any kind of popular support. Although they've both got hometown challenges, I think Paul should be safe. Thought it seems that Kucinich might actually lose his seat in Congress.
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I've kept hearing about Ron Paul on the net but not on the BBC, until today, wow he really has very few supporters.....
Mind you, any republican trying to fill the clown's shoes is going to have a hard time. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| In fairness, the media has been completely unbalanced in terms of its coverage of him relative to fund raising, which is really the gage that they use to proclaim "viability". He's still a simpleton who gets a lot of support from racist/wacko John Birch types, but he got short changed in this cycle. |
I disagree. For a candidate who maxed out at around 11% in a couple of states, RP got a massive amount of media attention. In most of the states he struggled to get 5% and at least some of that was his anti-war rhetoric. In my opinion, the media was extremely irresponsible to give him as much attention as he got. Allowing him on stage with other candidates lends him and his ideas a certain credibility, which is undeserved. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Here's the latest Ron Paul newsletter.
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February 26, 2008
What thrilling rallies we've just had in Texas. First there were the Students for Ron Paul at the University of Texas in Austin. The media said 4,000 came. Our people think there were more like 7,000. In any event, it was a very enthusiastic gathering of our revolutionaries, as even the media admitted.
You will not be surprised to know that the young people there cheered the pure message of liberty: no preemptive wars, no Federal Reserve, no income tax, no police state, no drug war. Just American liberty and the Constitution, in the tradition of the framers.
But the rally in Kileen, though much smaller, may have been just as significant. Kileen is near Fort Hood, and among the 300 people who attended were many active-duty soldiers (though not in uniform) and their families. Whether it was the young man going back to Iraq for his fourth tour, or the sister of a soldier just killed there, they all wanted change in our foreign policy. Most heartbreaking was the young mother who asked for a signed copy of the Constitution for her son, "who will never know his dad." He too was just killed in Iraq.
How can we ask one young American to die for a neocon empire? The soldiers and their families agree with us, which is why our campaign gets more financial support from active-duty and retired military than all the rest combined. They want to defend America, not be part of some globalist scheme to take away our country's independence. And by the way ,at both rallies, nobody was for the monstrous Trans-Texas Corridor or the North American Union.
Coming up soon are the Texas and Ohio primaries, with others like Pennsylvania not long afterwards. We are contesting every one, and we will be heard at the Republican national convention in Minneapolis and beyond. A substantial minority of Americans in all parties, not to speak of Independents, agree with you and me. Until November and beyond, I want to work to turn that minority into a majority, with your help. https://www.ronpaul2008.com/donate/
Sincerely,
Ron |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how many cheer for a police state at other candidates' rallies. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how many cheer for a police state at other candidates' rallies. |
Depends if the candidate is Giuliani or not.  |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how many cheer for a police state at other candidates' rallies. |
Depends if the candidate is Giuliani or not. |
Many Repulicans think Giuliani is too liberal , in view of that saying that Giullani wants a police state tells either a lot about the Republicans or -those on the other side or both. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain is the presumptive nominee and Huckabee is dropping out. Why the hell is Ron Paul still in this race at this point. And, no, that is not a question. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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I wonder how many cheer for a police state at other candidates' rallies. |
Depends if the candidate is Giuliani or not. |
Many Repulicans think Giuliani is too liberal , in view of that saying that Giullani wants a police state tells either a lot about the Republicans or -those on the other side or both. |
Giuliani tried to stay in power after his term ended due to 9-11. He's a disgrace, and the voters knew it. |
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