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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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 Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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When I first got to Korea there was a very small EPIK program that pretty much everyone laughed at and the standard group of people in universities/unigwons/international schools and the vast majority are hagwon monkies.
What do you think the breakdown is these days? As I wild guess I would say something like:
10%: university/international school/corporate/misc
35%: hagwon
45%: public
With things tilting more towards the hagwon direction in Seoul and more towards the public direction in the boonies.
It seems like the number of people in public school jobs is really rising fast. My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
Obviously the percentage of people in hagwons has dropped enormously. I wonder if the same drop has happened in actual numbers of people or if there's more foreigners than there used to be.
Anyone have any actual facts? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:26 am Post subject: Re: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
When I first got to Korea there was a very small EPIK program that pretty much everyone laughed at and the standard group of people in universities/unigwons/international schools and the vast majority are hagwon monkies.
What do you think the breakdown is these days? As I wild guess I would say something like:
10%: university/international school/corporate/misc
35%: hagwon
45%: public
With things tilting more towards the hagwon direction in Seoul and more towards the public direction in the boonies.
It seems like the number of people in public school jobs is really rising fast. My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
Obviously the percentage of people in hagwons has dropped enormously. I wonder if the same drop has happened in actual numbers of people or if there's more foreigners than there used to be.
Anyone have any actual facts? |
The number of LEGAL foreign teachers has gone up from about 6000 just before world cup in 2002 to just over 25,000 now.
The information can be sourced from the Korean side of the immigration website or from the national statistics office.
The number of teachers in the public school system has increased exponentially and the number working in hagwons has remained fairly constant during that time . |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: |
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Hmmm I came about a year after the world cup.
So from those numbers there's got to be at least 5K legal hagwon teachers, plus at least a thousand or so uni/corp/misc. If there's 25K people legal that must mean that well over 50% of people are in public schools these days. Wow. Only one of the people in my social circle is, but I guess that's normal for the people who've been here for a while... |
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ttompatz
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Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
Hmmm I came about a year after the world cup.
So from those numbers there's got to be at least 5K legal hagwon teachers, plus at least a thousand or so uni/corp/misc. If there's 25K people legal that must mean that well over 50% of people are in public schools these days. Wow. Only one of the people in my social circle is, but I guess that's normal for the people who've been here for a while... |
That's OK. I don't know anyone who is here working in a hakwon anymore. They have all either moved back home or to the public / UNi system.
From the last stats that I have seen (2006) there were about 11,000 hakwon teachers and ~14,000 E1/2s in other systems - up from the 5500 hakwon and 500 others back in 2001/2. |
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nomad-ish
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
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what public school or area is this?? |
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ardis
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
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what public school or area is this?? |
For real! I'd love to have the public school experience but still have other native speakers around. In my area, we're all on our lonesome. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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| nomad-ish wrote: |
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My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
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what public school or area is this?? |
Apgujeong. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: How many public school teachers vs. hagwon teachers? |
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| Saxiif wrote: |
My students were telling me that there's 6 foreigners in their public school, they have a foreigner teach them every day and they've just hired a 7th to do nothing but art classes. This seems very high.
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what public school or area is this?? |
Apgujeong. |
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nomad-ish
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| ^ ooooh, that's why |
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DongtanTony
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Location: Bundang
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Exactly!!!
My last job in Gumi...the vast majority were hagwon teachers...Uni and public school teachers were a small, small minority.
My current neighborhood...Dongtan...the same. I don't know of a single PS teacher here...granted...it's a new city...but with at least four PS operating at this moment...I know of none.
But...as others have said...it all depends on the area. Getting outside of the city...and down to the southern provinces outside Gyonggi-do, the demographics completely change. |
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