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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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 Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:30 am Post subject: Hillary floats the possibility of a shared ticket |
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But who's on top?
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WASHINGTON - Hillary Rodham Clinton is hinting at the possibility of sharing the Democratic presidential ticket with Barack Obama, but says voters still have to decide the party nominee.
Clinton says: "That may be where this is headed, but of course we have to decide who is on the top of ticket. I think the people of Ohio very clearly said that it should be me." |
Two possibilities -- either Clinton has enough hubris to think she can talk the guy who's beating the pants off her into accepting second billing, or she's running for Veep. The latter is more reasonable, but the former is more, well, Clinton.
I have a hard time envisioning either scenario. Obama is playing to win and would have no reason to ignore the scoreboard (especially since Clinton's running mate would have even less role in campaigining and policy than usual -- she already has a running mate, who happens to be a former President). And if Obama does get the nomination, as the math certainly indicates he will, what would he really gain by adding Hillary to the ticket? Bigger margins of victory in California and New York? Not a big help.
She's been attacking him mercilessly these days, and anecdotally, the two Senators can hardly stand to be in the same room together. And, again, there's Bill, scene-stealer par excellence and a notoriously difficult man to "manage".
For Hillary to propose this, unasked and in public, is fairly extraordinary. I smell desperation, and I hope the Obama campaign does too. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:35 am Post subject: Re: Hillary floats the possibility of a shared ticket |
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| And if Obama does get the nomination, as the math certainly indicates he will, what would he really gain by adding Hillary to the ticket? |
Two extremely skilled attack dogs to take care of GOP attacks while he stays above it all, I assume. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Hillary floats the possibility of a shared ticket |
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| mithridates wrote: |
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| And if Obama does get the nomination, as the math certainly indicates he will, what would he really gain by adding Hillary to the ticket? |
Two extremely skilled attack dogs to take care of GOP attacks while he stays above it all, I assume. |
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe Obama/Clinton wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Hillary floats the possibility of a shared ticket |
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| stillnotking wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
| stillnotking wrote: |
| And if Obama does get the nomination, as the math certainly indicates he will, what would he really gain by adding Hillary to the ticket? |
Two extremely skilled attack dogs to take care of GOP attacks while he stays above it all, I assume. |
Hmm, I hadn't thought of that. Maybe Obama/Clinton wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. |
Yeah, it might be better than you expect. I noticed that Obama seems a little off his game when he gets a lot of negative coverage but the Clintons don't even blink an eye at that sort of thing.
I couldn't see it working the other way around though. Hillary's not inspiring enough and Obama doesn't have the experience to strengthen a ticket, plus he would just look weird running as VP. It would be like Cheney with Bush as VP. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Obama says it is 'premature to talk about a joint ticket'
On a joint ticket:
"We are just focused on winning the nomination. That is my focus. I respect Sen. Clinton. She has been a tenacious opponent. It is premature to talk about a joint ticket." |
http://www.politico.com
This stuff sure is interesting to watch.
If I were Obama, I'd take the VP. 4-8 years as vice and then the chance at 4-8 years as president. The best case, you're extremely powerful for 16 years and have a great deal of influence on the course of your country. The worst case is Obama/Clinton lose, and he never gets a solid chance again. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:53 am Post subject: |
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The case for Obama-Clinton '08
Above is Ambinder's article. Below is his blog post.
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Many of my readers are rapid Obama or Clinton partisans, and so the very mention of the idea probably strikes them -- you -- as absurd. But if you can somehow separate your feelings of disgust from your brains just a bit and think it through, the premise not only holds, but the idea really does make sense. Go through the categories: politics, demographics, themes, governance -- it works. As my colleague Ron Brownstein has pointed out, they are enormously complimentary figures.
I deliberately do not address the thorny issues of, say, how Obama would surrender his ego to put Clinton on the ticket, or how Clinton would surrender her presidential ambition to join the ticket, or what Bill Clinton would do, or what closet he might have to be placed in order for this to work, but I have the feeling that smarter people than I will shortly be sorting these things out.
That's because the longer Hillary Clinton stays in this race, the more inevitable it is that she, by force of will, earns a spot on the ticket. Obama cannot ignore her demographic coalition, her breadth and depth of the support, the energy that she generates, just as Hillary surely cannot ignore -- would not ignore -- everything that Obama has come to stand for and has accomplished. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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The chances for a unity ticket just receded dramatically:
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| In a live CNN interview just now, Sen. Clinton repeated, twice, the "Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002" line. By what logic, exactly, does a member of the Democratic party include the "Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience" part of that sentence? |
The logic is obvious, and it ain't "unity ticket" logic. I really, really hope Obama doesn't pick this scorpion as his VP. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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The fact is that Clinton has a bigger ego and wouldn't accept anything less then top of the ticket. Think about it for a minute, why would Obama fold his presidential campaign, a campaign everyone said didn't have a chance in the world, to put someone on the ticket who's going to only drag him down.
Clinton's negatives are still sky high and her latest petty trash talking politics have proven that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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