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Clinton spin: Obama needs to sweep Mar 4
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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But yesterday he was ahead.


So? Day to day numbers bounce around a lot, but Obama has a clear track record of being able to show up in a state and build up a campaign that really puts him well ahead of where he was coming in, Hillary doesn't.

Hell, look at pretty much any poll of any primary a month before the primary and in EVERY state the final results ended up being MUCH more favorable to Obama than any early poll.
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stillnotking



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Location: Oregon, USA

PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milwaukiedave wrote:
Can she start actually winning a majority of the pledged delegates?


Not only does she need a majority, she needs approximately 60% of the remaining pledged delegates to take the lead. Given the way delegates are allocated by district, this translates to something like 75% of the popular vote. In every remaining state.

Not gonna happen. To put this into even more stark perspective, as of yesterday she needed 57% of the remaining delegates -- so she is, if anything, worse off than she was. To make a football analogy, it was like running for a one-yard gain on second & ten in the fourth quarter. The clock is running out. Any day that is not a blowout win for Hillary is a bad day for her.

Of course the media want to sell papers, so they are spinning March 4 as a massive day for Clinton. Don't believe the hype.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notking,

Not only that, she'd pretty much have to get the Florida/Michigan debacle to go in her favor (meaning seating the delegates as allocated now), plus get 60%+ of the superdelegates.

Yep, the small delegate count boost from yesterday could possibly be nullifed by mid next week.

If she thinks the superdelegates will come in and rubberstamp her candidacy, she's dead wrong.

Still no word on the Texas Caucus.
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cbclark4



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As of 1 hour ago CNN reported:

"As of Wednesday afternoon, Sen. Barack Obama leads with about 55 percent of state delegates in the caucuses, compared to about 44 percent for Sen. Hillary Clinton, with about 38 percent of the state reporting."

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/05/texas.caucus.count/?iref=mpstoryview
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CB, that's about the same as it was 12 hours ago. I'm wondering what's going on.

There are rumors of lawsuits going around. Hopefully that isn't true.
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Milwaukiedave



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a blog written by a guy I know in Oregon:

http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/03/clintons-big-te.html

Clinton's "big" Texas win? Not so much



T.A. Barnhart

Of course, the big political news since Tuesday night is Hillary Clinton�s big wins in Ohio and Texas. Ohio was pretty clear cut, but Texas � well, look at the numbers to the left (courtesy of the Houston Chronicle). The total: a tie. Not a win for Clinton (or, yes, for Obama); a tie.

Caucus numbers are still being crunched, so the total could change. In fact, just like on Super Tuesday, when all the crunching is done, it could be Obama who emerges the winner. (Superdelegate numbers are based on news reports.)

But Hillary wins because she didn�t lose, some are arguing. Obama outspent her, had the momentum � and all he could do was a tie? But don�t forget what his campaign actually did in Texas. Four months ago, Hillary had more than a 30-point lead. That lead was still 20 points when we got to Iowa. He made up 20 points in two months against the strongest national campaign machine the Dems have ever had. And wasn't this all supposed to be wrapped up on February 4th?

This has been one of the consistent themes of this primary: huge Clinton leads shredded and a coronation being turned into an actual democratic process. The national press is having a lot of fun with this; it�s like the Giants in the Super Bowl, right? Expected defeat turning into victory?

Except it�s nothing like that. Hillary is the Patriots, and what she�s facing right now is the Giants running out the clock. She has to force a fumble, so to speak ("He's not a Muslim ... as far as I know"), otherwise both the national numbers � Obama still has his big delegate lead after his awful �losses� � and the on-going defection of superdelegates to his campaign will simply be too much for her to overcome.

What irks me about yesterday's exercise is not that Obama lost two states, or that Hillary can now spend the next two months slinging the mud that worked so well in Texas and Ohio. It�s the on-going dishonesty of most reporting. Texas was a deadheat. In the popular vote, she got 95,000 more out of 2.8 million � 3.4% (aka the margin of error). In the caucuses, he appears to be making up that ground. And isn�t this campaign about delegates? Simply keeping even, as HIllary did on Tuesday, means the leader is still the leader: Barack Obama. And it's hard to see that as anything but an Obama victory. Unless maintaining your second-place deficit is the new definition of losing.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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