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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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The Hillary campaign blatantly manipulated an Obama head *beep* to make him appear more African.
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Ridiculous. The whole picture is darker, including the background. This is simply paranoia gone haywire. |
Mmm hmm. And why would they make the whole picture darker? Remember when Time magazine did that to O.J. and the furor it caused? Is this different?
Why would they stretch the image horizontally?
Why would a Clinton super delegate (Stephanie Tubbs Jones) call a Somali costume Obama's "native dress"?
Why would Bill Clinton compare Obama dismissively with Jesse Jackson?
Why would a Clinton campaign adviser insinuate that Obama had dealt drugs? (Yeah, Shaheen got fired for that one, but only after a huge outcry.)
If you think there hasn't been race-baiting in this campaign, you haven't been paying attention. I haven't heard any Obama staffers asking casually if Hillary has ever turned tricks, or commenting on her appearance, or doctoring pictures of her. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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So, if Hillary wants us to believe that she'd be willing to put Obama on the ticket, and thus one heartbeat away from the presidency.
Is she therefore admitting that the people who voted for her on the basis of those "3:00 AM" ads were being duped? |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the Hilary - Cheney analogy is valid. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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So, if Hillary wants us to believe that she'd be willing to put Obama on the ticket, and thus one heartbeat away from the presidency.
Is she therefore admitting that the people who voted for her on the basis of those "3:00 AM" ads were being duped? |
I think she's admitting that it's unlikely she'll win the nomination.
Yeesh. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
You have now identified yourself as someone whose support is based on personality and not politics. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I know Bill cannot run again for president, but is there any legality that would prevent Hillary from naming him as VP? |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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So, if Hillary wants us to believe that she'd be willing to put Obama on the ticket, and thus one heartbeat away from the presidency.
Is she therefore admitting that the people who voted for her on the basis of those "3:00 AM" ads were being duped? |
Sully's take is that this is all a ploy:
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| Everyone's buzzing about Hillary's "superticket" talk today. Clearly that's a strategic campaign move for her, and is in no way a part of her oft-hidden gracious nature. If she can convince enough people that it's a strong possibility for her to choose Obama as VP, she can stem the flow of on-the-fencers and cause them to lean her way. Because with her, they get a chance at having it both ways! And that's a guiltless, easy win-win choice for an undecided voter to make. Conversely, Obama hasn't mentioned her as a possibility, which could start hurting him when it comes down the undecideds he's got to move in the coming primaries. |
Clinton's bizarre juxtaposition of "unity ticket!" with "Obama is even less qualified than McCain on national security!" makes sense if viewed in this (admittedly somewhat paranoid) light. Convince the voters that she'll pick Obama for veep, pick off some of the folks who like him but remain undecided, then it's bait-and-switch time at the convention and she picks somebody else.
Take everything Sully says about Hillary with a large grain of salt. There may be rational Hillary hatred, but Sully's long, long past that and into the Fire-of-a-Thousand-Blazing-Suns level.
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
You have now identified yourself as someone whose support is based on personality and not politics. |
Not that here's anything wrong with that. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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| cbclark4 wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
You have now identified yourself as someone whose support is based on personality and not politics. |
Not that here's anything wrong with that. |
LOL! Seinfeld was great! |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| I know Bill cannot run again for president, but is there any legality that would prevent Hillary from naming him as VP? |
Yes. The VP cannot be from the same state as the Pres. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Clinton's bizarre juxtaposition of "unity ticket!" with "Obama is even less qualified than McCain on national security!" makes sense if viewed in this (admittedly somewhat paranoid) light. |
I don't think that's paranoid at all. It's actually the only really credible explanation for what she's doing. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| The fact is that Clinton has a bigger ego and wouldn't accept anything less then top of the ticket. Think about it for a minute, why would Obama fold his presidential campaign, a campaign everyone said didn't have a chance in the world, to put someone on the ticket who's going to only drag him down. |
Because Obama cannot win this campaign without the Superdelegates. The Superdelegates will enact a compromise that would best solidify the party.
I see the Hillary-hatred is alive and well in this forum. Happily, it didn't seem to matter in Texas, Ohio, Florida, New York, California, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. |
Again, you (and Ya-ta Boy) miss my point, she has just as big of an ego. There is no way she would accept anything other then top of the ticket. As an Obama supporter, I'm not going to simply say Obama should pack up his campaign and give up. That's insane.
Once again, you list Florida in her wins and once again you distort the truth. Florida's delegates DON'T COUNT! |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The chances for a unity ticket just receded dramatically:
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| In a live CNN interview just now, Sen. Clinton repeated, twice, the "Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Sen. Obama has one speech in 2002" line. By what logic, exactly, does a member of the Democratic party include the "Sen. McCain has a lifetime of experience" part of that sentence? |
The logic is obvious, and it ain't "unity ticket" logic. I really, really hope Obama doesn't pick this scorpion as his VP. |
Of course Clinton supporters are going to minimize that saying it wasn't that bad. It's the kind of slime that defies logic.
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
You have now identified yourself as someone whose support is based on personality and not politics. |
No, I'm not willing to cave into the Clinton slime machine when Obama IS winning in the delegate count. It would be like giving up in the 3rd quarter of a football game when you are up by 14 points. "Let's pack it in and forfeit."
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
| Screw the unity ticket. I wouldn't vote for a ticket with her on it no matter whether she was top of the ticket or the VP selection. |
You have now identified yourself as someone whose support is based on personality and not politics. |
No, I'm not willing to cave into the Clinton slime machine when Obama IS winning in the delegate count. It would be like giving up in the 3rd quarter of a football game when you are up by 14 points. "Let's pack it in and forfeit." |
Their policies are nearly identical, so why are you so gung-ho for Obama and gung-ho against Hilla? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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The difference is not the person, but the message. Obama inspires people.
Of course, then we are just a bunch of cool-aid drinking cultists.
Maybe you should talk to some of the people who hate Obama, it appears there are a few of those people on the board. |
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