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Sapa
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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 Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: What $$ can a teacher with no experience expect at a hagwon? |
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| Just wondering what salary I should ask for when applying to private language schools in Seoul? I have no teaching experience, just a BA and short TEFL course. All of the recruiters at the moment are offering 2.0-2.1m won. I had been advised to ask for 2.4m but this goes down like a lead balloon. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: |
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Depends on:
1. If you can have a face to face interview in Korea before they hire you.
2. Your gender.
3. How fat/ugly you are.
4. Your nationality/race.
5. If they've heard of the school you got the BA from.
6. If you qualify for an F-series visa.
7. Your age.
In general pay will be marginally lower in Seoul for a newbie since a lot of people want to live in Seoul. You'll probably have trouble getting 2.4. |
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hellofaniceguy
Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| The disappointing thing is that it does not matter in korea. You have no experience in teaching....and someone has 5/6/7 years of experience...you both get the same thing the majority of the time. And that is sad....sad because the experienced teacher does not have enough balls to stand up for themself and demand a reasonable wage due to their experience....most times they just accept the going rate. And why?!? |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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| hellofaniceguy wrote: |
| The disappointing thing is that it does not matter in korea. You have no experience in teaching....and someone has 5/6/7 years of experience...you both get the same thing the majority of the time. And that is sad....sad because the experienced teacher does not have enough balls to stand up for themself and demand a reasonable wage due to their experience....most times they just accept the going rate. And why?!? |
Yup, it always astounds me how many people with MAs/teaching cert/experience settle for entry level jobs. There are better jobs out there. |
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Freakstar
Joined: 29 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I got paid $3.6 million KRW/month and I was a newbie.
BUT that didn't include housing, benefits or any paid vacation days. |
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Slaps
Joined: 22 Jun 2007
Location: Sitting on top of the world
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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I get 3.0 Million won as a n00b.
It includes housing and benefits and paid vacation. |
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t-rock
Joined: 03 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| where? what school? hours? would you be kind to share? Thanks |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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No one is getting 3 million/month without prior experience and certification.
Right now, if I was a newbie looking at a 30 hour hagwon gig, I would ask for 2.2 plus housing.
That's more than a solid wage. |
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crazy tigger
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| 2.2-2.3 is prob more realistic. A lot of my friends are on 2.0 in their first year butdidn't push for anything higher. |
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Sapa
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah it definately seems like 2.0-2.1m is the norm for people without experience. Saying that I have had an offer for one paying 2.7m. So obviously some places are willing to pay more. |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| crazy_arcade wrote: |
No one is getting 3 million/month without prior experience and certification.
Right now, if I was a newbie looking at a 30 hour hagwon gig, I would ask for 2.2 plus housing.
That's more than a solid wage. |
Unless can get a gig at one of the high end/SAT hagwons but those usually require fairly long hours and a BA from a big name American university or some connections. There's a lot of those places out there but the work tends to be very seasonal and kyopo-dominated so most people on Dave's don't know much about it, but there's lots of Koreans/kyopos working here in the summer doing SAT (or TOEFL in some cases) who make bit stacks of money and haven't even graduated from college yet.
Then there's CDI... |
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crazy_arcade
Joined: 05 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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It's not like it isn't impossible.
My first year I started at 1.9
However, I was doing way way way more work than a standard 1.9 salaried newb should've been doing at the time. A couple months in I was able to successfuly renegotiate and was doing about 2.5
I was working really long hours though. As a newb, you have to expect that you're either gonna work much longer hours for the higher pay (to the point of exhaustion) or you have some special on your resume that will put you into demand. |
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gangpae
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Be careful what you wish for. It's hard enough to get a hogwan to honor a low-ball contract. I know a teacher who signed a juicy contract with a large signing bonus, and it ended badly for guess who? |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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In case you're interested, OP, your appearance matters more than qualifications.
OP, don't work in a hagwon. Go to a public school. |
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ella
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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| sad because the experienced teacher does not have enough balls to stand up for themself and demand a reasonable wage due to their experience....most times they just accept the going rate. And why?!? |
Because there's little reason for a Korean employer to pay for an experienced teacher when they can get a newbie to work for less. Your experience doesn't matter because more often than not your job isn't really about teaching. |
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