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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| But it's there, and it was stated by a member of the Cato Institute, funded and founded by Koch industries. Koch made their fortune building power plants for Stalin, among other things. They were also fined by the gov't for stealing oil profits from Native American tribes. But don't worry, surely another energy company will arise to fill the market's need for someone to give back the money. Let's not involve those bureaucrats or the fat cats in Washington, right? |
Poisoning the well fallacy. Cato's arguments stand or fall on their own merits. You might not like their funding, so don't join then on moral grounds. But attack their actual arguments. |
Such as "child labor is OK, any work related injuries are acceptable because their life expectancies are low to begin with"? Or others? |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Having worked for Starbucks almost 4 years ago and having recently been in the 'States and experienced Starbucks' service firsthand, I can definitely say they need to work on improving service standards. A three and half hour nation-wide closure is a start I guess. And for those wondering why they're not doing this after hours, it's because they don't really offer overtime so if they do this during business hours, no one's hours go over the 40 hour mark. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Such as "child labor is OK, any work related injuries are acceptable because their life expectancies are low to begin with"? Or others? |
A child will be put to work regardless, if not in a factory then the child will be put to work on the farm or, worse, prostitution. The family farm is as dangerous or more as a factory. As consumers we can have far greater control of factory conditions than farm conditions.
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| What country are you talking about? |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| Such as "child labor is OK, any work related injuries are acceptable because their life expectancies are low to begin with"? Or others? |
A child will be put to work regardless, if not in a factory then the child will be put to work on the farm or, worse, prostitution. The family farm is as dangerous or more as a factory. As consumers we can have far greater control of factory conditions than farm conditions. |
Boaz was referring to Industrial Age Britain, when cottage industry and farms went under b/c of the profitability of mass production. These kids worked on farms with their families before, rather than in coal mines with other 9-year old TB cases, who then went home to dysentery infested slums in Manchester and London and Chicago and New York. But things got efficient. After 80 years or so.
Consumers may have the power to change conditions (maybe) but we don't. We want our cheap shoes, and we want them now. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| Consumers may have the power to change conditions (maybe) but we don't. We want our cheap shoes, and we want them now. |
That's not true at all. Nike et al have changed their business practices based on consumer concerns about child labor. People buy fair trade products. Both are a little misguided, in my opinion, but these consumer actions fly in the face of your claim.
Even at its most basic, consumers tip based on a desire to change the economic conditions of the person serving us. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| jkelly80 wrote: |
| Consumers may have the power to change conditions (maybe) but we don't. We want our cheap shoes, and we want them now. |
That's not true at all. Nike et al have changed their business practices based on consumer concerns about child labor. People buy fair trade products. Both are a little misguided, in my opinion, but these consumer actions fly in the face of your claim.
Even at its most basic, consumers tip based on a desire to change the economic conditions of the person serving us. |
Shareholders have also changed company policies. Usually, with only 20% of the vote, shareholders have been able to convince boards to pursue environmentally/humane/ethically responsible policies. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
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| Consumers may have the power to change conditions (maybe) but we don't. We want our cheap shoes, and we want them now. |
That's not true at all. Nike et al have changed their business practices based on consumer concerns about child labor. People buy fair trade products. Both are a little misguided, in my opinion, but these consumer actions fly in the face of your claim.
Even at its most basic, consumers tip based on a desire to change the economic conditions of the person serving us. |
indeed. when people have the choice to easily choose an alternative, they will do so. |
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