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Junior
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 Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| OneWayTraffic wrote: |
| It seems that you are defining intelligence by a belief in Creationism. |
The intelligent are more likely to think for themselves rather than be the field of sheep that swallow whatever they are told to believe by the official government mouthpiece, and that has always been the case in every country in history.
You have to admit that the masses are mostly ignorant and uneducated, and know more about top of the pops than they do the natural world. they simply accept evolution because man "believes in what is strongly seen to be believed in". they are herd animals, even if they have no working knowledge of biology. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| Every person in the world must believe in accordance with what is decent, rational, natural, sane and demonstrably true. |
Like the piltdon skulls or the archaeoraptor? or that everything evolved by chance from nothing?
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| That's what I call Hell. |
Why are you here then if you a) hate it so much b) have a supportive family, hometown, passport to a rich and prosperous 1st world country, and have a home to go to? You are obviously trying to project a massive lack of self esteem onto other people, buddy. Sorry but I just don't feel the "lack of status" you seem to suffer from.
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| So, essentially, you�d like me to believe an unemployable TEFL teacher and not an overwhelming scientific consensus. |
Well i did post the links to confirm my statement. The scientific consensus agrees with me- that salamanders, coelecanths and nautilus are unchanged from multimillions of years back. Read below.
So we are constantly faced with the fact of stasis. If you know different, do point me to the [url]http://www.millions of transitionalfossilsprove evolution.com[/url] website.
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| Dinosaurs and their demonstrable evolution from primitive bipedal archosaurs . |
That is conjecture. You do know the difference between demonstrable reality and conjecture by brainwashed people who desperately want to prove a theory, don't you?
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| Dinosaurs evolved from archosaurs 230 million years ago. |
More ridiculous guesswork inspired by crack.
I've already proven to you that most creatures can be shown by the fossil record not to have evolved whatsoever. You now have made a claim . evidence? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Why are you here then if you a) hate it so much b) have a supportive family, hometown, passport to a rich and prosperous 1st world country, and have a home to go to? You are obviously trying to project a massive lack of self esteem onto other people, buddy. Sorry but I just don't feel the "lack of status" you seem to suffer from. |
I'm a qualified teacher. This is my career. Though TEFL and teaching English to native speakers require totally different skills and there are qualified teachers who are hopeless at TEFL, I'm not. I am superior to the hagwon jockey or public school monkey with a TEFL cert and reap the rewards accordingly. I'm outta here in August though having saved an average of $20,000 per year here.
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Well i did post the links to confirm my statement. The scientific consensus agrees with me- that salamanders, coelecanths and nautilus are unchanged from multimillions of years back. Read below.
So we are constantly faced with the fact of stasis. If you know different, do point me to the [url]http://www.millions of transitionalfossilsprove evolution.com[/url] website. |
As I said, your position takes place in an intellectual, scientific vaccuum, requiring us to temporarily suspend the scientific consensus on evolution. It can't be done.
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That is conjecture. You do know the difference between demonstrable reality and conjecture by brainwashed people who desperately want to prove a theory, don't you?
More ridiculous guesswork inspired by crack.
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Get a dictionary and look up 'conjecture' and you will find you use conjecture to allege of me that I used conjecture. For your comment not to be conjecture, you need to demonstate why the position is false. The position is available in the following:
Naish is a dinosaur expert at the University of Portsmouth. I'm gonna take his position over a religious TEFL layabout any day, thanks to possessing wits, taste, decency and the capacity to discern what it is aesthetically excellent.
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| I've already proven to you that most creatures can be shown by the fossil record not to have evolved whatsoever. You now have made a claim . evidence? |
The evidence is a worldwide consensus of geologists and biologists. I refuse to even consider your position, because it requires me to ditch the rest, something that's not possible. Same with you - total refusal to bring in evolution because it requires you to ditch the rest. You bring in dinosaurs but only on the condition they coexisted with humans because to accept the scientific consensus that dinosaurs ruled the world for 165m years, having evolved from primitive creatures, and were wiped out 60m or more years before humans appeared requires you to dispense with Genesis, failing as it does to mention this, the real, state of affairs. So we're similar. The similarity ends rather quickly though. I refuse to bring in things that require me to get rid of everything else we know to be demonstrably true about reality; you refuse to bring in things that require you to get rid of primitive, obscene beliefs in ancient scriptures written by people who didn't know what a germ was, what a light year was, that the moon reflects the Sun's light and doesn't produce its own. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| I'm a qualified teacher. This is my career. |
This thread is about evolution. You persist in writing long paragraphs and projecting your lack of status and savage inferiority complex. I have no desire to delve into your personal angst. I'm only engaging a bitter social derelict such as yourself temporarily because the main debater mindmetoo is absent for the moment.
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| As I said, your position takes place in an intellectual, scientific vaccuum, requiring us to temporarily suspend the scientific consensus on evolution. It can't be done. |
So you deny my links from nat. geographic or the university of chicago as being invalid? You think hundreds of fossils showing no change were falsified? Do elaborate.
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The evidence is a worldwide consensus of geologists and biologists. |
I have provided you with real world evidence proving beyond doubt that ancient lifeforms have not evolved.
You have made hot air claims that dinosaurs evolved. You have still not shown me the evidence.
Links. Now.
I'll put to you what I put to mindmetoo (and which he sidestepped by jumping onto another thread):
You claim everything evolved from an original cell/amino acid/amoeba.
yet the fossil record which goes back supposedly 3.5 billion years and comprises millions of fossils, shows no record of evolution. it shows stasis. nothing has changed.
So when did your spectacular evolution oof all things happen, and why did it suddenly stop before the fossil record happens?
And why are you relying on speculative hot air, worthless bumf, media spin and misleading exxagerated patter from evolutionists desperate to back up their theory rather than what real life evidence from the real actual world, clearly shows? |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:50 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is about evolution. You persist in writing long paragraphs and projecting your lack of status and savage inferiority complex. I have no desire to delve into your personal angst. I'm only engaging a bitter social derelict such as yourself temporarily because the main debater mindmetoo is absent for the moment.
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I have a superiority complex. I am superior - as a person offering a pro-consensus view and as an actual teacher - to the theistic hagwon monkey offering lay discourse in opposition to a worldwide scientific consensus.
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So you deny my links from nat. geographic or the university of chicago as being invalid? You think hundreds of fossils showing no change were falsified? Do elaborate.
have provided you with real world evidence proving beyond doubt that ancient lifeforms have not evolved.
You have made hot air claims that dinosaurs evolved. You have still not shown me the evidence.
Links. Now.
I'll put to you what I put to mindmetoo (and which he sidestepped by jumping onto another thread):
You claim everything evolved from an original cell/amino acid/amoeba.
yet the fossil record which goes back supposedly 3.5 billion years and comprises millions of fossils, shows no record of evolution. it shows stasis. nothing has changed.
So when did your spectacular evolution oof all things happen, and why did it suddenly stop before the fossil record happens?
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Assuming your summary that hundreds of fossils showing no change is correct - I've no idea because I refuse all lay discourse from hagwon teachers posited in opposition to a consensus of biologists and geologists - accepting your interpretation (that the Theory of Evolution is falsified by this state of affairs) must take place in an intellectual and scientific vacuum and, as such, requires us to suspend everything else we know about evolution in the natural world. Mainstream scientists are still saying evolution took place in the past and is simple fact (how it works open to theory, but natural selection evidently true in many cases) so your position that these 'no-evolution' fossils has not overthrown the consensus as you wishfully think. To overthrow my belief in evolution, overthrow the consensus view that evolution is fact backable by mountains of evidence - and that's never going to be done by a creationist, least of all you.
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And why are you relying on speculative hot air, worthless bumf, media spin and misleading exxagerated patter from evolutionists desperate to back up their theory rather than what real life evidence from the real actual world, clearly shows?
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Read this:
No links. Buy the book from Amazon. Why should I search for scientifically synonymous material online for you? I've told you to look at the external links and countless papers on Wiki's Theory of Evolution page and you won't. The above book (based on a BBC documentary) is written by scientific experts and it renders all your beliefs false. Dinosaurs evolved from archosaurs 230 million years ago and this planet is 4540 million years old (the former number is 5% of the latter). We live on a spherical planet in - at least - a 93,000 million light year universe. Do you even know what a light year is? Prolly not. It's the time it takes light to travel in a year and we use it as a distance to measure distances in space (300,000km x 60 seconds x 60 mins x 24 hours x 365.25 days = approximately 10,000,000,000,000.....so the observable universe is 10,000,000,000,000 x 93,000,000,000km). Your primitive, vile faith can be of no use to the transcendent �bermensch and his objective knowledge.
I will not consider anything from a TEFL teacher advocating that the Theory of Evolution be overthrown because of your interpretation of something that's taken place in an intellectual and scientific vaccuum. Like all these global warming deniers who come up with some new theory based on some tiny phenomena to 'overthrow' the mountain of greenhouse gas evidence. F**k 'em. Ideologically-driven lay discourse in opposition to scientific, expert agreement....I'll have none of it.  |
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mindmetoo
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Why your claim fails posted to the evolution thread. I think we should move this to that thread. I'll pm the mods to merge these at the least.
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