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| Dome Vans wrote: |
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| The Jewish lobby is not the only powerful lobby. How many bills has the NRA '*beep*' down or 'winged'? And there are a number of others. To see government or candidates as under the control of the Jewish lobby while ignoring others is to veer deeply into IGTG territory. |
Agreed TUM, I don't doubt that for a second that there are a number of groups that have an influence through donations or civil servants placed that will be an advantage for the companies. Bush and his Oil Companies, Cheney and his construction companies. These affect policy in America. The Jewish backing is a lot more obvious, and is a lot more divisive especially on the global stage.
We might be upset by Bush not signing environmental treaties but when it comes to the death toll in places like Iraq and Israel people need to question more the interests of groups behind the government. Democracy it is not. |
I would the pro-Israeli Jewish lobby, because I don't feel they represent most American Jews. They are to the right of most Jews in the United States and many people stereotype Jews based on these people.
Some Israelis on the Left feel the lobby hinders peace-making since they promote the right wing views in Israel in general. They are quite hawkish, and they are not interested in human rights.
Yes, pro-Israeli forces have a lot of influence. JFK had some sympathy for the Palestinians, but he had to shut up about that, because the pro-Israeli lobby was not going to have any of it. Senator Fulbright got into trouble trying to be equatable when dealing with the problems of the region, and it unsettled the lobby. Paul Findley lost his eat in Illinois.
They do throw around a lot of money. The NRA is definitely powerful, but they do not affect foreign policy.
As far as Justin Hale's views, they are not uncommon especially after the terrorist acts of September 11th. Many people because of their antipathy vis-a-vis the Palestinians ignore the human rights abuses. Attacks by Hamas, which are terroristic in nature, do not excuse revenge attacks by the IDF on innocent civilians, using people as human shields, bulldozing homes en masse as was done in Rafah some years back including when they wanted to destroy the house of this doctor who was the friend of Rachel Corrie.
I don't think someone being Jewish or Muslim justifies their death or abuse. I am sure the Muslims who killed Catholics in East Timor using American arms didn't care for the Catholics anymore than Serbian soldiers cared about raping and massacring innocent Bosnian Muslims. The Bosnians were never really guilty of ethnic cleansing Serbs like the Albanians. In the end, we should look at what is right and just for the two sides, not sectarian arguments. And, we should do what we can to encourage the forces in the region that oppose Hezbollah and Hamas rather than lumping people together. I simply don't want innocent people killed. As Rabin said, there has been enough killing. |
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