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[Milwaukiedave]

The Texas Caucus is still counting, so if anyone wants to update the numbers, please feel free to do so:

Texas Caucus:
Obama 56
Clinton 44
41% reporting

Texas Delegates (primary and caucus):
Clinton 92
Obama 91
Total delegates: 193
Delegates outstanding: 10


Here is a link to the results from the Democratic Party of Texas:

http://precinctconventionresults.txdemocrats.org/election08district

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

Clinton got more votes in Texas but they got almost the same number of delegates - interesting. In fact nationwide Clinton and Obama have gotten more or less about the same number of votes. If all there were very primaries instead of caucuses which are dominated by liberal activists like Moveon.org Clinton might very well be ahead.

[Milwaukiedave]

[Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee]

U saying it is not true?

By the way I didn't read Clinton talking points

[Milwaukiedave]

Funny, that's exactly what the Clinton campaign has been spewing.

[Kuros]

[bucheon bum]

[Milwaukiedave]

[Milwaukiedave]

[Milwaukiedave]

Getting back on topic....

I just checked the CNN website, no change yet in terms of the Texas Caucus. It's possible we won't know the results until the end of the month.

[Milwaukiedave]

Well it looks like a long wait to find out the final results of the Texas Caucus.

Texas caucus results due March 29
By APRIL CASTRO, Associated Press Writer
Tue Mar 11, 6:03 PM ET

AUSTIN, Texas - Curious whether Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton won Texas' Democratic caucuses March 4? The official results won't be available until March 29.

Until then, the last reported results � from 41 percent of the precinct caucuses � show Obama ahead with 56 percent to Clinton's 44 percent.

Obama has won at least 31 delegates from the caucuses and Clinton has won at least 27, according to The Associated Press count. The remaining nine delegates will be awarded after the official results are announced at the end of the month.

The state Democratic Party gave up Monday on its effort to produce a running public tally of the count. The state party had set up a reporting system, outside the official count, that relied on 8,247 precinct chairmen to voluntarily call their results to 254 county chairmen who would relay them to state party headquarters.

But an estimated 1 million Democrats � far more than ever before � showed up for the caucuses, which were held right after voting ended in the first part of the Democratic contest: a standard primary administered by state government.

The huge turnout played havoc with the caucuses, creating confusion, long waits and even a few calls to the police to calm frustrations late on March 4. It hasn't made the count any easier either.

"This was a turnout that was more than anybody would have imagined," state party spokesman Hector Nieto said as he announced the party was giving up on the voluntary public tally with fewer than half the precincts having reported. He said the last significant batch of returns were called in last Thursday and the calls had petered out since then.

The party had organized the voluntary reporting system at the request of news organizations.

Now the party will rely on the official system laid down in its rules. Those rules require only that precinct chairmen mail the results of their caucuses to their county party chairmen 72 hours after primary election day. County chairmen don't have to reveal those results until county or state Senate district conventions March 29.

As in many states with caucuses, these district conventions pick delegates to a state convention in June which picks the actual national convention delegates. The Associated Press uses the results from local caucuses to calculate the number of national delegates each candidate will win, if the candidate's level of support doesn't change during this multistage process.

The caucuses ultimately will allocate 67 delegates to the Democratic national convention this summer.

Clinton won the popular vote in the regular primary that preceded the caucuses. Her 51 percent of the vote, compared to his 47 percent, earned her 65 delegates to his 61.

The overall delegate tally in Texas is tied at 92, pending the outcome of the remaining nine delegates from the caucuses.

Meanwhile, frustrated county chairmen are trying to be patient with volunteer precinct officials swamped by the turnout. They were figuring out Tuesday which precincts mistakenly sent their results to the state rather than the county and why dozens haven't contacted them at all.

Williamson County Democratic Chairman Richard Torres was still missing results from 33 precincts. "I've been on the phone, calling people trying to get the 33," Torres said. "I think we're going to have to search 'em out now."

Houston's 857 precinct results are still coming in, said Harris County Democratic chairman Gerald Birnberg. The count has been slowed because precinct convention chairmen ran out of official sign-in sheets, so they tore "Democrats Vote Here" signs off the wall and scrawled the preferences of caucus-goers in long hand. Birnberg said a dozen workers have put in 12-hour days since March 4 just making sure the paperwork was right, without even counting the votes yet in the state's largest city.

In Hidalgo County, a border stronghold for Clinton, the count has been stymied because Democratic chairman Juan Maldonado changed his cell phone number after losing re-election and wasn't available for several days at his business, a bail-bond office that also offers state teacher certification.

[Milwaukiedave]

RCP has allocated the remaining delegates for the Texas Primary. Nothing is official, but this is close to how it will end in Texas:

Obama 98
Clinton 95

[Milwaukiedave]

Well the Texas Caucus may not be over yet. And as for the delay, we know one of the reasons:

March 14, 2008


BY FEDERAL EXPRESS, EMAIL
AND FACSIMILE TO (512) 480-2500

Mr. Boyd L. Richie
Chairman, Texas Democratic Party
State Democratic Executive Committee
505 W. 12th Street, Suite 200
Austin, Texas 78701

Dear Chairman Richie:

We want to congratulate you on the extraordinary turnout of voters across the State of Texas who participated in the March 4 Democratic presidential primary and precinct conventions. We appreciate the unprecedented administrative challenges the high turnout presented. Fortunately, the Texas Democratic Party has under its Rules and the Texas Delegate Selection Plan requirements designed to ensure that the process in which eligible voters participate is fair and one in which they can have confidence, and when there are deficiencies, requirements to ensure that those deficiencies are rectified.

In this regard we are writing to express our concerns regarding the review and tally of the official results of the State Party's precinct conventions on March 4. As you are no doubt aware, there are significant questions about whether the precinct conventions were conducted in accordance with the Party's Delegate Selection Plan and Rules. On the night of the caucus itself we brought many instances of these irregularities to the attention of the State Party. The campaign received in excess of 2,000 complaints of rules violations, indicating widespread violations of the Party's rules, including the following specific occurrences that are clear violations of specific rules:

� Temporary Chair packets were released by the election judge prior to 7:00 pm
� Sign-in sheets were filled out before 7:00 pm
� Precincts were consolidated for purposes of holding a convention
� Precinct caucuses began before polls closed for the primary
� Ineligible participants voted or ineligible delegates were elected, including participants who were not registered voters, participants who did not vote in the primary, provisional voters whose votes were counted, and no verification was made of the eligibility of participants or delegates
� Accurate written records of participants, presidential preferences, and elected delegates were not kept
� Participants' names and presidential preference were entered on sign-in sheets by someone other than the eligible individual participant
� Results were taken from a head count or hand count rather than the written roll
� Delegate votes were not ratified by the precinct convention
� Failure to follow Robert's Rules of Order at the precinct convention

We have had several conversations with the State Party since March 4, including conversations with Chad Dunn, regarding the procedures that the State Party intends to follow to insure that the rules were followed and that only the votes of eligible participants would be considered. We understood that we were to receive a memorandum regarding that process, but were advised yesterday that instead we would be invited to a briefing on Monday, March 17.

Last week our Counsel, Lyn Utrecht, was told by Mr. Dunn that the State Party intended to verify the eligibility of participants and that the Party's IT people were working on a system for doing that electronically. On Tuesday the 11th, when Ms. Utrecht contacted Mr. Dunn to inquire about the status of the memorandum regarding the procedures, she was advised that the State Party no longer intended to verify the eligibility of participants or delegates because the Party would not have the ability to do that before the County Conventions. This was confirmed by Mr. Dunn yesterday.

Therefore, it is our understanding that the results will be counted and delegates awarded based on a count of votes without any determination by the State Party of eligibility of the participants, and without any certification by the Precinct Chairs or County and Senate District Chairs that they completed a thorough review of the eligibility of participants and delegate candidates.

Thus it will be left to the campaigns to file credentials challenges against those delegates awarded based on the votes of ineligible participants, without the State Party making any effort to identify ineligible participants. We were advised yesterday that we will begin to receive copies of the scanned sign-in sheets sometime early next week and that it will not be until the end of next week when we will receive all of this data. In order to review this, the campaigns will also need access to the voter rolls to determine who voted in the primary held that day. While the State Party has indicated that it will request this information from the larger counties and provide it, it is unclear how soon that information will be available. For the smaller counties, the campaigns must request it from each county.

We believe this is in direct contravention of the Rules, which require that the Party determine the eligibility of participants and that only the votes of eligible participants are counted. Moreover, if the Party's reason for not ensuring that only eligible participants are counted is based on the fact that the Party cannot complete the review process prior to the scheduled date of the County and Senate District Conventions, the campaigns can't possibly complete this review in a timely fashion. Credentials challenges are presently due March 26.
We believe that (1) it is a violation of the Party's Delegate Selection Plan and Rules for the Party not to ensure that the eligibility of participants was determined before their votes are counted; and (2) if the Party cannot complete this task in time to hold the next level conventions on March 29, those conventions must be postponed until such time as accurate presidential preference counts can be made based on a review of each and every sign in sheet to determine eligibility of participants and delegates.

It is a violation of the rights of legitimate participants to have their true vote count distorted by violations of the Party's Rules. It is the Party's responsibility to ensure the integrity of the precinct convention process by making sure that the Rules were followed and that the final official results of the precinct conventions are accurate and in compliance with the Rules.

Therefore, we respectfully request that the Party explain to both campaigns what procedures will be followed to ensure the accuracy and integrity of the precinct convention results and agree to postpone the County and Senate District Conventions until such time as that process can be completed.

We look forward to working with you to ensure that the votes of the people who participated in the March 4 primary and precinct conventions are accurately counted.

Sincerely,

Garry Mauro
Authorized Representative


Guy Cecil
National Political and Field Director

[cbclark4]

Barack Obama
Pledged: 1411
Superdelegates: 207
Total: 1,618

Hillary Clinton
Pledged: 1242
Superdelegates: 237
Total: 1,479

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/