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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Out of curiosity, I wonder if there was EVERY a fleeting thought that "zionist" were infact doing what they could to rescue/save as many Jews as they could; Deals with the Devil, as it were.
Perhaps it wasn't about rescuing the state of Israel but about actually rescuing, you know, people (or "Humans"). |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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Semitic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Akkadian, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Phoenician, Maltese, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
As language studies are interwoven with cultural studies, the term also came to describe the extended cultures and ethnicities, as well as the history of these varied peoples as associated by close geographic and linguistic distribution.
The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to "hostility" ... toward ... "Jews" ...
further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term. |
MORE ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
n.b. anti = BAD, pro = GOOD
-ism = worldview or ideology
Truth be known:
The majority of modern-day Israel's population, Khazars ( i.e. ASHKE-NAZIS ) are non-semitic.
They are in fact believed to be of Turkish-Mongol origins.
Moreover, their ancestors converted to Judaism ( the religion ) circa. 9th century. It is believed this was done largely for political, strategic reasons.
Before this they were avowedly .... MUSLIM 
Attacking, killing, "criticizing", "discriminating" against ARABS etc is thus far more anti-"semitic" than when an Israeli suffers the same.
Kyber ...
Read this book & get back with your thoughts.
My humble take on things is that Europe's "assimilationist" jews were ritually sacrificed in order to bring about major dialectical change.
Either way, clearly major cross-party criminal collusion 
Lenni Brenner
Zionism in the Age of the Dictators
A Reappraisal
(1983)
In lieu of a new introduction
Edward Mortimer: Contradiction, collusion and controversy
(A review from the London Times)
Preface
1. Zionism and Anti-Semitism Prior to the Holocaust
2. Blut und Boden (Blood and Soil): The Roots of Racist Zionism
3. German Zionism and the Collapse of the Weimar Republic
4. Zionism and Italian Fascism, 1922-1933
5. German Zionism Offers to Collaborate with Nazism
6. The Jewish Anti-Nazi Boycott and the Zionist-Nazi Trade Agreement
7. Hitler Looks at Zionism
8. Palestine � The Arabs, Zionists, British and Nazis
9. The World Jewish Congress
10. Zionist-Revisionism and Italian Fascism
11. Revisionism and Nazism
12. Georg Kareski, Hitler's Zionist Quisling Before Quisling
13. Choosing the Chosen People � The Doctrine of ��Zionist Cruelty��
14. The World Zionist Organisation and Italian Fascism, 1933-1937
15. Austria and the ��Gentile Friends of Zionism��
16. The Jewish Parties of Eastern Europe
17. Spain � The Nazis Fight, the Zionists Do Not
18. Zionism's Failure to Fight Nazism in the Liberal Democracies
19. Zionism and the Japanese East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere
20. Poland, 1918-1939
21. Zionism in Holocaust Poland
22. Zionist Collusion with the Polish Government-in-Exile
23. Illegal Immigration
24. The Wartime Failure to Rescue
25. Hungary, the Crime Within a Crime
26. The Stern Gang
Appendix
Stern Gang: Proposal of Irgun Zvai Leumi Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question
and Participation in the War on the Side of Germany (1941)
(The German original)
Glossary of Jewish and Zionist Organisations
Abbreviations
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to "hostility" ... toward ... "Jews" ...
further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term. |
So that explains your confusion.
If the term was coined in the 1800s, people have had 200 years to get over the change and move along with progress. It's now common parlance. Gripping to this buoy is a pointless
And if you read on:
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The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite. In modern English the negative form of the adjective, anti-Semitic, is almost always used to mean "anti-Jewish" specifically.
The concept of "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. |
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Attacking, killing, "criticizing", "discriminating" against ARABS etc is thus far more anti-"semitic" than when an Israeli suffers the same.
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I kinda understand why you are so upset. I'm really angry that gays took the word "queer" and turned it into meaning "homosexual". I'm also angry they took the word "gay" and made it mean "homosexual".
Everyone knows that "queer" means "odd" and "gay" means "happy". I'm on my own personal crusade to take the word "Queer" back from the gays.
Tell me how much success you have in trying to convert the English speaking masses and the 200ish years of history surrounding the use of the "Semitic". If you have success with that, I feel pretty confident I can take the word "queer" back too. Of course, if you succeed against, well, the unstoppable force that is the mutations of the English language, I may still have a chance.
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Kyber ...
Read this book & get back with your thoughts.
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Nah. I like my propaganda covered with baklava and chocolate. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Kyber ...
Read this book & get back with your thoughts. |
Nah. I like my propaganda covered with baklava and chocolate. |
You can lead a horse to water ... |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| proven: jews exist and breathe o2 |
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cheeseface
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Ssyangnyeon Shi
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What a pity-that's what it will take to have Hamaas settle for peace. |
Peace to get their land back? 
Your not a bible freak are you?
The British really focked up with Isreal. And the USA still pour money in, to keep the people who own the land down. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: |
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The late 19th century term "anti-Semitism" refers specifically to "hostility" ... toward ... "Jews" ...
further complicating the understood meaning and boundaries of the term. |
So that explains your confusion.
If the term was coined in the 1800s, people have had 200 years to get over the change and move along with progress. It's now common parlance. Gripping to this buoy is a pointless
And if you read on:
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The word "Semitic" is an adjective derived from Shem, one of the three sons of Noah in the Bible (Genesis 5.32, 6.10, 10.21), or more precisely from the Greek derivative of that name, namely Σημ (Sēm); the noun form referring to a person is Semite. In modern English the negative form of the adjective, anti-Semitic, is almost always used to mean "anti-Jewish" specifically.
The concept of "Semitic" peoples is derived from Biblical accounts of the origins of the cultures known to the ancient Hebrews. Those closest to them in culture and language were generally deemed to be descended from their forefather Shem. |
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Attacking, killing, "criticizing", "discriminating" against ARABS etc is thus far more anti-"semitic" than when an Israeli suffers the same.
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I kinda understand why you are so upset. I'm really angry that gays took the word "*beep*" and turned it into meaning "homosexual". I'm also angry they took the word "gay" and made it mean "homosexual".
Everyone knows that "*beep*" means "odd" and "gay" means "happy". I'm on my own personal crusade to take the word "*beep*" back from the gays.
Tell me how much success you have in trying to convert the English speaking masses and the 200ish years of history surrounding the use of the "Semitic". If you have success with that, I feel pretty confident I can take the word "*beep*" back too. Of course, if you succeed against, well, the unstoppable force that is the mutations of the English language, I may still have a chance.
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Kyber ...
Read this book & get back with your thoughts.
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Nah. I like my propaganda covered with baklava and chocolate. |
All very well to argue about Semintics (my gut tells me thats a real word) but the issue at the core of the argument is -
Why, in this particular day and age, is prejudice against Arabs relatively acceptable, and prejudice against Jews the most heinous crime imaginable? |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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but the issue at the core of the argument is -
Why, in this particular day and age, is prejudice against Arabs relatively acceptable, and prejudice against Jews the most heinous crime imaginable? |
Haven't you yet grasped that veiwing Arabs with anything less than utter contempt can only mean one thing: that you are a raving dyed-in-the-wool Jew-hating neo-nazi? Apparantly you have to choose. |
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khyber
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Why, in this particular day and age, is prejudice against Arabs relatively acceptable, and prejudice against Jews the most heinous crime imaginable? |
I don't think prejudice against Arabs IS acceptable and I'm not sure if that was the "core" of the argument; perhaps an aspect.
I'd wager the crux of his point was that Jews (and by extension [obviously] white society) have usurped a word and he wants it back.
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I kinda understand why you are so upset. I'm really angry that gays took the word "*beep*" and turned it into meaning "homosexual". I'm also angry they took the word "gay" and made it mean "homosexual".
Everyone knows that "*beep*" means "odd" and "gay" means "happy". I'm on my own personal crusade to take the word "*beep*" back from the gays. |
See what I mean? The gays have taken over eslcafe!!!
Now I can't even write, "Hmm.... there is an elephant reciting Nieztsche riding a bike down the street. That is really queer". And what other word could I use? |
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