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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: How much money do public schools get for having a teacher? |
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How much do they get in their budget for having a teacher? I ask because this public school claimed they could not afford more than the 8 pyong apartment they wanted to give me after they jettisoned the 15 pyong one and telling me about it only at the last moment. Of course, I couldn't use that as a legal reason for not starting the job, but it happened. I am not working there at any rate. Do they get 50 million? 60 million for us?
I have a feeling many of the schools are trying to give the least amount of money possible, so they could use it for other things, departments or other things. The school I applied to in the Suwon area initially didn't want to provide me with a computer. If there is a budget for the foreigner, then use it only on the foreigner. I heard they get 50-60 million won, but I am not sure. Anyone know?
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I am curious too. I have to wonder about a very new, modern school where I work that has money for all kinds of 'soju nights' for the staff, but no money to buy the basic resources for the English program. |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Don't quote me on this but I heard it was one lump sum of 50 mil. Off course, how each school uses those funds is entire up to the principal. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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KYC wrote: |
Don't quote me on this but I heard it was one lump sum of 50 mil. Off course, how each school uses those funds is entire up to the principal. |
All right, that's what I heard as well..
Suppose a teacher makes 2.3 million a month that's 27.6 million
Suppose key money is 5 million /We are up 32.6
Add severance of 2.3 million /We are up to 34.9
Add pension, health insurance let's say 1.5 million/36.4
miscellaneous expenses 500,000 /36.9 million
Rent maximum could be 450,000 won a month 5.4 million/up to 42.3 million
So, the school that was supposed to hire me still had at least 7.7 million left but initially didn't want to get me a computer and got me a cheaper 8 pyeong apartment instead of the roughly 12-15 pyeong one from before. This was in Suwon. I am not sure what rent is, but it can't be more than 400,000 won for a 10 pyeong I am guessing, and I was generous and put 450,000 won for a figure to spend.
That's why I didn't want to work with them. They were being cheap if your 50 million figure is correct.
A friend of mine at an Ilsan public high school doesn't get paid on time, believe it or not, and they initially wanted him to buy his own books!
Even public schools people will scam you, not just hagwons. This is Korea after all.
A major reason why Koreans don't learn proper English is because too many hagwon owners don't really care, they just want profit, and many public schools want you there for the budget, and often won't get you proper materials for your classes. Even the public schools are cheating foreigners big time. |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Meh, I'm the 3rd English teacher here and I don't even have an English classroom. I had to use the computer room. My students didn't even have desks! They sat on the floor...on a dirty piece of foam mat. Most of the time they would just wrestle each other while I try not to lose it.
Approximately 2 months ago, the projector broke. Something was wrong with the lens. The shcool tells me that it costs too much to have it replaced so they wont even bother with it. The textbook lessons use the cds and my extra lessons are ppt based. I have to hop from room to room to teach.
I did noticed that LAST year, the computer room had really old computers & big bulky screens. This year, they've all been replaced with new comps & nice flat screen monitors Pssh the comp they told me to use is at least 10 years old
Whatever. I don't care. I'm sure there's an English fund but I have yet to hear about it. I don't prepare anything extravagant for my classes because I dont want to spend my own money. I even recycle the old paper folders the kids had from last year. I'm haivng them use it agian this year. It's not worth it for me to even bother. I know the money they get for having me is going somewhere else. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Your principal is driving your English fund to the room salon then home every night. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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i do have an English Zone, but even then it's very basic.... however, at least i have desks for the kids!
is 50mil for a 1st level teacher? what about for 2nd or 3rd level teachers? |
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KoreanAmbition

Joined: 03 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Adventurer,
Don't forget, you calculated key deposit up above.
Isn't that money they get returned?
Technically that's not even spent.
In fact, the key deposit was probably given a zillion years ago and they probably don't even pay for it...just monthly rent.
I think they're screwing teachers for a lot more than you think. hehe |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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50 million won for each year? What happens if there's a runner? Do they have to give the money back? Or do they keep it and make an even bigger profit?
Hmmmmm, a financial incentive to drive teachers out of Korea? |
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Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Location: working undercover for the Man
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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is the sum the same for all ELTs --- level one, two, etc?
it would be in the schools' interests to get teachers with less experience then. |
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it's full of stars

Joined: 26 Dec 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:10 am Post subject: |
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I'd be really interested to know how much money there is in the guest teacher's budget too.
My K co-teacher always avoids the issue when I ask. I've asked 3 times for a copy of windows in English and been told it's too expensive. I bought some resources, card, large sheets of paper and the like because they took 2 weeks to buy them and then they refused to refund me. All the old teachers have new computers, even the new teachers got a new computer, I got a recycled monitor to go with my POS computer.
Stingy SOBs, suppose I need to show Jung or Han or something and buy a load a cakes for their fat, stupid faces so they think I'm a team player, maybe I'll get some stuff then. |
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Smee

Joined: 24 Dec 2004 Location: Jeollanam-do
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:32 am Post subject: |
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At my public school last year they didn't want to use native speakers, but they were stuck with me for a year because the original school I was contracted to never opened. I was only teaching 9 classes a week first semester, although my coteacher and principal fudged my time cards to get it over the contracted minimum in order to not lose their funding.
Likewise, as I posted before, they didn't find me a place to live until the day before I arrived. Because they put it off so long they couldn't actually rent one, so a friend of somebody at the education office let me stay above his bookstore rentfree for 4 months. In late-December the county had to show documentation of how much they were paying for rent, in order (again) to not lose their funding, so they moved me out with a few hours' notice.
Even though we are allotted money in the budget for supplies, I never saw a won of it. I was also not paid for a 3-week winter camp I did, even though the going-rate is nearly $1,000 a week. I was also not paid overtime my second semester. The blatant corruption there and the half-assedness really put me off re-signing with a rural county again. Things are completely different this time around, which is very nice. |
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nomad-ish

Joined: 08 Oct 2007 Location: On the bottom of the food chain
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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it's full of stars wrote: |
I bought some resources, card, large sheets of paper and the like because they took 2 weeks to buy them and then they refused to refund me. All the old teachers have new computers, even the new teachers got a new computer, I got a recycled monitor to go with my POS computer. |
i've got the same issue at my PS. i brought in some receipts for a couple books and english games, and they refused to pay. they said that i had to just tell them what i needed, but i needed the books in the next couple weeks, not next month, so i just let it go.
anyways, i'm glad i bought those english games...they were a lot of fun for the kids. but i made sure to take them home with me after camp was over!  |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 2:13 am Post subject: |
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nomad-ish wrote: |
it's full of stars wrote: |
I bought some resources, card, large sheets of paper and the like because they took 2 weeks to buy them and then they refused to refund me. All the old teachers have new computers, even the new teachers got a new computer, I got a recycled monitor to go with my POS computer. |
i've got the same issue at my PS. i brought in some receipts for a couple books and english games, and they refused to pay. they said that i had to just tell them what i needed, but i needed the books in the next couple weeks, not next month, so i just let it go.
anyways, i'm glad i bought those english games...they were a lot of fun for the kids. but i made sure to take them home with me after camp was over!  |
What books? I might buy them if they are good. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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I don't know how things work in other areas of Korea, but here in Gimhae, the city rents out all the apartments for the teachers and the schools receive money for the teachers' salaries and resources.
If each school is getting 50 mil/ year / waygukin teacher, they are making a killing.
By the way, some free resources can be found here:
www.mes-english.com
Best of luck. |
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