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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: Mississippi Democratic Presidential Primary Polls |
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Rasmussen Poll:
Date: 3/5
Mississippi
MoE= 4
Obama 53%
Clinton 39%
Not Sure 8%
Insider Advantage:
Date: 3/6
Mississippi
Added: 3/7/08
Est. MoE = 4.8%
Barack Obama 46%
Hillary Clinton 40%
Unsure 14%
American Research Group:
Date: 3/5-6
Mississippi
Added: 3/7/08
Est. MoE = 3.9%
Barack Obama 58%
Hillary Clinton 34%
Unsure 3%
Other 5% |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I'm assuming another double digit Obama win, adding another 10 delegates to his lead.
Looking at the remaining contests, it is (near)impossible for Clinton to come close to closing his 100+ gap. If anything, his lead will grow.
Which means one of two things, either the Supers will coalesce around Obama or they will illegitimately declare Clinton the winner. If the latter happens, than I think independents, fair-minded Democrats, and middle-of-the-road Republicans will work to ensure that McCain takes the White House. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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enns wrote: |
Looking at the remaining contests, it is (near)impossible for Clinton to come close to closing his 100+ gap. If anything, his lead will grow. |
Pennsylvania is down the road, and Clinton will also do well in Kentucky.
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Which means one of two things, either the Supers will coalesce around Obama or they will illegitimately declare Clinton the winner. |
Illegitimate? No, I don't think so.
According to this source, Clinton is near to Obama in the popular vote. Its a consideration for superdelegates.
Edit: Clinton is not actually leading, because Obama's numbers are not included in Michigan. Nevertheless, subtract the 300k votes Clinton got in MI, and the popular vote is nearly even. |
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stillnotking

Joined: 18 Dec 2007 Location: Oregon, USA
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Legitimacy is in the eye of the beholder. Certainly it is within the rules for Clinton to override the pledged delegates with super delegates; as her campaign never tires of pointing out, neither candidate can get the nomination without super delegate support.
However, many people would take such a scenario as clear evidence of a palace coup and the fundamentally undemocratic nature of the Democratic Party. Me included.
Let me ask you this, Kuros: if Obama has the popular vote lead and the pledged delegate lead going into the Convention, would it be illegitimate, in your opinion, for the supers to pick Hillary instead? |
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enns
Joined: 02 May 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Kuros, what I'm saying is that it is almost certain that Obama will have the pledged delegate lead coming into the convention(and likely the popular vote as well). I think it was on MSNBC where they ran the Slate delegate calculator and gave Clinton wins in ALL of the last 10 or 11 states by double digits, and she still came out behind.
True, illegitimacy is in the eye of the beholder, and you can argue that using the supers to clinch a victory would be perfectly acceptable. What I'm saying though, is that if that's what she does to win(and that's really her only card to play), then I think there could be a backlash against her and the Democrats from swing voters and that will only help McCain.
She can't win the pledged delegates, and likely not the popular vote. Where does she have to go? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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stillnotking wrote: |
Let me ask you this, Kuros: if Obama has the popular vote lead and the pledged delegate lead going into the Convention, would it be illegitimate, in your opinion, for the supers to pick Hillary instead? |
Well, if they did, they'd better have (a) damned good reason(s). The legitimacy would be proportional to the gap between Obama's delegates/popular vote lead and Hillary's. It is pretty close now.
I don't think Hillary will get the nomination. But she has enough influence to change policy, and since Barack and Hillary's policy proposals are nearly identical, all the more reason to put her in the VeeP spot. |
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